David Haye's entire career has been smoke and mirrors

These were the top 10 contenders for Haye's RING championship at the end of 2007 (before he faced Enzo):

1. [url]Steve Cunningham[/url]
2. [url]Jean-Marc Mormeck[/url]
3. [url]O'Neil Bell[/url]
4. [url]Krzysztof Włodarczyk[/url]
5. [url]Enzo Maccarinelli[/url]
6. [url]Firat Arslan[/url]
7. [url]Marco Huck[/url]
8. [url]Vadim Tokarev[/url]
9. [url]Darnell Wilson[/url]
10. [url]Johnathon Banks[/url]

I think Tomasz Adamek stepped up and defeated Bell a couple of weeks after Haye beat Enzo.
I'm not saying any of these guys would beat Haye but that's possible. I don't blame him for moving up to HW. I just think sometimes people make out he was in a class of his own at CW, though he never actualy proved that.

 

Perhaps I'm being harsh on Huck too but without a belt to sell it to the public I can't see there being too much demand for it. Cruiserweight has always been a tough division to sell.

Adamek, USS and Hulk would have been good fights. I think the rest get breezed through. I wouldn't have minded seeing Gomez either but he'd made his way north by that point. As it is, the way it played out - you'd expect him to dispatch that list. Today's top cruiserweight however would be a far sterner challenger with a number potentially favoured over him plying their trade there.

 

Does anyone know Haye's fight night weight against Enzo?

[url]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/david-haye-of-great-britain-weighs-in-for-his-fight-against-enzo-for-picture-id80157985[/url]

Given how ripped he is here at 199lbs and how fat he was at 224lbs for his most recent fight he probably had greater muscle mass at cruiser than he did in his last HW fights.

Right now he is in Miami which is the go to place in America for sports stars to go to 'anti ageing' clinics so it'll be interesting to see how he manages to transform himself.

 

Enjoyed reading yesihavearm.

Some good points that are hard to deny in there. I still think his comebacks a bit more serious that even he himself likes others to believe. He likes to kid on hes not doing much...living the easy life in miami. But i think davids very competetive hence the reason he lost the plot after klitchko with toegate etc. Thats a few video,s now i ve seen of him and shane or shanes assistant working very hard for the bellew fight. Think his biggest problem with the comeback is hes being locked out atm. People still know hes dangerous...its actually them avoiding him or pricing themselves out a fight. Hes struggling to get things done because of it. Coming down to finances.

With the klitchko fight i dont think people realise the part emmanual steward played in it. Klitchkos tactics were spot on for it. Although it looked like haye put up a lethargic effort through choice it was actually klitchkos tactics that took hayes tools away from him. The thing is as soon as steward was gone klitchko pretty much started to decline. The one that faced fury was stewardless. People forget that sometimes.

Anyway regarding the haye v enzo fight. I was a big fan of enzo at the time also mate. Had watched a lot of him. And hadnt really seen much of haye at that point. Just enzo knocking over guys that turned out to be pretty average competition. Remember betting my mate enzo would take him. Thought it was money in the bank. That was until the weigh in when i seen the comparison of the two of them. Knew then it was goodnite to my 20 quid. Enzo running to the ring hardly got my confidence back up.

One of two of my worst ever boxing bets along with hatton to beat pacman...genuinely thought at the time he,d be too big and strong for him. Moron.

 

To be fair, it did read like Fury had beaten Chisora twice before Haye beat him.
Haye also beat a motivated Chisora, and stopped him (although I'll freely admit the fight was closer than either of the Fury fights). Chisora in Fury 2 was also out of shape and demotivated. I think Hayes win over Chisora is better than Furys second win over him.
The frustrating thing about Haye is that he's talented, has good skills and elite level power yet he hasn't gotten to where he should have done. Not sure if it's heart or motivation that's lacking or both.

Anecdotally, I met him in a museum a while back (he was there with his kid and I was there with mine) - this was a few months before his comeback - and he was nothing but pleasant, so purely off the back of that one brief encounter, I can't say I dislike him.

 

Why would Chisora be "demotivated" in the 2nd Fury fight ?
He was probably on his best winning streak of his career. He wasn't out of shape, he was lighter than he'd been against Haye, and the same weight he'd been when he fought Vitali. It was a world title eliminator and many people were picking Chisora to win.
I guess soon into the fight he realized Tyson Fury had improved significantly from the fighter he faced before (in 2011, when he was in fact out of shape, as was TF actually) and Chisora had absolutely no answer to it. At that point, with Fury punching and moving at will, I guess Chisora did become "demotivated".