David Hayes record

I see it as Haye taking higher risks which paid off very well !

 

I don't think it is to be honest. Certainly not superior to Calzaghe's anyway.

 

If he beats both Klits then his record is fantastic. Unified Cruiserweight and Heavyweight in 25 fights.

 

In 23 fights certaintly.

But his overall record, no.

 

If Haye quits at 30-1 having beaten the Klitschko's and whoever else, there will be no argument Haye's record is phenomenal and it surpasses Calzaghe easily. He would be have been unified cruiser and undisputed heavyweight champion, a rare achievement, probably one of the top 50 of all-time.

But as it is, Mormeck was a very good win, but we don't know how good Maccarinelli is really. Can we really say he's much better than a Bika based on what he has (or hasn't) achieved?

Then guys like Gurov and the Italian, you can compare them to 10 guys on Calzaghe's resume. They are solid but unspectacular.

 

scurla claimed he has achieved what they did in their entire careers, I'm comparing it on that basis and he plainly hasn't yet. No doubt its a very impressive start, but the huge challenges are ahead.

His destiny is in his own hands, he has the opportunity for greatness right there infront of him. Two fights against the Klitschko's. Then if he picks up the final belt, and fights a few other contenders to improve his longevity and depth of resume - what can you say? Cast iron top 50 great for me.

I don't think it will happen, but he has a golden chance to achieve greatness in one or two fights which Calzaghe never did. He's still searching for it even now with some.

 

yeah course he ain't.

haye was actually older than hatton when he won the world title. :yep

 

This is the way forward certainly.

Getting the fighters in big fights whilst in their prime, and spending it beating good people instead of chumps like Tocker Pudwill or Dennis Pedersen.

Not exactly rocket science, is it?

 

to be fair if 99% of fighters came along at the pace of haye they would not have a career. he is a breath of fresh air.

take they way hayemaker are handling rhodes. Vuma is better than anyone on Moore, Pryce and Smalls records - 3 guys ranked by alphabets that say they wanna be world champs.

 

No, in that instance you are correct.

It is much easier to fight often for less money than choose quality opponents and take risks - some guys are happy to do that knowing they can't cut it at the top level (Lockett, Small, Jennings etc).

Rhodes has been handled superbly for the past year - gets the British title back, first defence and then a fight which gets him into the WBC top 10 and a possible title shot.

Moore has been waiting longer than that for a EBU fight.

I don't usually cut people a lot of slack taking inter-alphabetty fights, but this one is clever as it serves a purpose. What purpose does Khan/Mitchell's inter-alphabetty fights serve?

 

Don't you think it weakens your argument when you try to compare against the 'weak' nature of Hatton and Calzaghe's opposition, but the examples you choose to pick are one guy who was a replacement opponent at a couple of weeks notice and one guy who was a replacement opponent at a couple of days notice?

I don't really know what you're claiming? Is there something about Haye than means none of his opponents will ever pull out of a fight? Or maybe you mean that, if a Haye opponent does pull out, he'll be able to magic up a Klitschko to step in at the last minute? Which one?

 

Pedersen and Pudwill were bad examples - but do you really believe Kelson Pinto was ever coming?

Read Hatton's book - he has doubts as well :deal

I think what Scurla is trying to point out is that Haye has consistently taken what could be considered 'risky' fights at a relatively early stage - whilst the likes of Calzaghe and Hatton didn't. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact.

I like Hatton a lot, but could you really see too many of the WBU opponents beating him (other than perhaps Tackie and Phillips) - Steven Smith was perhaps the weakest opponent he faced other than Colin McAuley and Brian Coleman!

Ditto Calzaghe - outside of Woodhall, Reid and a couple of others, did they have a chance? Was Veit worth a rematch?

 

The above is all true.

It just grates when people criticise, for example, Calzaghe's resume and use Tocker Pudwill as an example. It's smacks of an intellectually dishonest argument. If someone really think that there are weak points in a fighters resume, highlight the fighters that they organised planned fights against.

Yes it is. If it inspires up and coming fighters to do likewise then all the better.

 

Will McIntyre or Branco Sobot would have been better :ko :vonnecunt