David Hayes record

Haye has beaten no one worth noting. He lost to old Thompson beat a shot to **** Mormeck and beat a top 20 cruiser in Enzo and at the weekend he beat a poor heavy.

 

Scurla has always been a Calzaghe and Hatton hater..so its hard to take his posts seriously.

Haye is doing well, theres no doubt about it and hes exciting to watch. But to say hes acheived more than Ricky and Joe's entire career is laughable.

A 36 year old Mormeck is his best win
Enzo is a top 10 cruiser at best
And Barrett is a heavyweight gate keeper

 

Haye has quite obviously not achieved in his career what Hatton and Calzaghe have, but time is on his side and after 23 fights he's doing better than either were at that stage in their careers.

 

What would Haye's record looked like if Frank Warren was in charge

 

We can use Hayes record to slag of Calzaghe but inreality every boxer will have a different career, will peak at different times and will get the big money fights at different times.

Yes Haye won the unified title in no time at all, as his impact at heavyweight is already being felt even though he has only had 2 fights there, but i dont expect Haye to have 46 fights and wont be boxing when he is 37, so its swings and roundabouts.

Both Hopkins and Hagler are fighters who didnt get accolades or big money fights til late on in their careers...doesnt make them any less great.

 

The problem Haye has is although it seems like he's way ahead of what Calzaghe did on number of fights, is that he's actually 28 years old and plans on being out of the game by 31. So he actually has about 3 years, is never going to reach as many fights anyway, and in my opinion he won't have any longevity anyway with his style.

So he really has to do it all now, its not as if he's got all the time in the world to pile up a huge resume that blasts Calzaghe out of the water.

 

I think Haye knows his limitations and knows that one day he'll walk onto what will be a curtains punch. He's as much as said that he has a weak chin and taking counts is part of his "exciting style". This perhaps explains why he's trying to manufacture a hit and run career i.e. out by his early 30s. But once he gets a taste of the elite big time and the offers come in, will he be able to stay away from the lure of the dirty dosh?

 

True, Hatton and Calzaghe never lost a fight before winning the crown.

 

In terms of what he has achieved in the number of fights he has had, he is WAY infront of what Hatton and Calzaghe had done at the same stage.

However, given that he wants to get out by the age of 30 and has fought (and will continue to fight) in relatively weak divisions I don't see him going above either in a British P4P list.

This is the way forward though, actually testing yourself against guys that could beat you. In their first 30 fights each, Hatton and Calzaghe probably fought only one/two each that could beat them. Haye has fought a few more.

 

I wonder if picking up a loss early on helped with his resume progress - and contributes to his attitude of wanting to fight the best (rather then feeling the need to hide behind a protected record, and protect an 0).

 

Not wanting to speak for Scurla but I'm sure he and many other Hatton/Calzaghe haters would say that they haven't always hated them but have done since the periods when they spent years fighting guys with no chance of beating them.

 

I think picking up a loss can do you the world of good, in a strange way.

The obsession with remaining undefeated is killing boxing, encouraging ducking, hiding behind titles and mismatches.

 

I agree.

 

I think he already had that attitude given that he was taking on Thompson is his 11th fight.