David Tua v Joe Frazier?

Knocked out three former or future lineal heavyweight champions, 2 of them in 30 seconds or less.

 

tua would smash him, probably in the first few rounds, since joe was a late starter and tua... well, we all saw what he did to moorer and ruiz in the first few seconds.

frazier is an atg, but fights are decided on styles. two swarmers going at each other - you have to favor the one with the bigger punch and better chin.

 

Frazier floored Quarry with a left hook to the body at the end of the 4th round. The count reached 5 and the bell went.

There was no ten count at any time, as an earlier poster stated.

 

Frazier only knows one way to fight. Bad idea againat Tua. David out-athletes him. The pieces of Joe are available in a bucket afterward.

 

Ibeabuchi was special, most agree that he was on his way to a great career. He went toe to toe with Tua, both had a very high punch output, and to be honest the decisuon could have went either way... it was basically a draw in my opinion.

Tua was a head hunter when he fought Byrd. He gave away the early rounds and by the time he started to win rounds it was too late.

Lewis was pretty much a perfect fighter when he was well prepared.

Tua had the better chin, as hard as Frazier punches I dont see him stopping Tua. I could see Tua stopping Frazier though. Frazier beat Ali and that is one of the best wins in the history of boxing. He clearly lost their 2nd fight by decision but gave Ali a war in their 3rd fight before being stopped after 14 rounds. He was no match for Foreman but not many were.

 

This has got to be one of the biggest myths in boxing history, revisionist bullshlt!

 

Can you elaborate?

 

I tend to agree with this.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KcmMPBT8NAY

 

Excellent post except for the conclusion of Tua somehow wearing Frazier down. Nobody ever did this to Joe, and that includes Manila, where a virtually blinded Frazier energetically stood up in protest when Futch told Smoke he was stopping it, then walked over to shake a kneeling Ali's hand as Muhammad was being interviewed by Don Dunphy.

Joe took round nine from Cummings, and was competitive in round ten, ravaged with arthritis, coming off a five and a half year layoff, a month before turning 38, yet it was actually a pretty good fight as a self contained event.

Frazier would need to be caught quickly by Tua, as Ruiz and Moorer were. Once Smoke got warmed up, hurting him was a much more difficult task.

So far as getting worn down, I think Joe would be bobbing and weaving very actively, and bypassing Tua's chin for the body.

David, on the other hand, is shorter than Frazier, a situation Smoke didn't like very much, but Joe did successfully put in many rounds against shorter opponents than himself. Ziggy, Bonavena, S**** Iron, and Stander alone give Frazier about 40 rounds of competitive experience with shorter opponents. (By contrast, the only opponent I'm certain was shorter than Marciano was Beshore, who lasted a little more than half a minute into round four when Freddie got decked for the count.)

Guys Tua's own height could trouble him a bit. Joe may not have liked dealing with shorter opponents, but after Bonavena I he managed those situations well.

 

Tua koed two lineal champions Rahman and Moorer ...... Not three.

Has to be said these were very poor lineal champion.

 

Tua would have the most miserable time with Foreman, even if George couldn't hurt him. Foreman would have shoved and pushed David all over the ring, and unlike Morrison, Tua wouldn't have the height, reach, speed or mobility to adapt. It would have been sort of a reverse Lennox-Tua, where David repeatedly gets shoved back too far away to connect, and not able to generate the necessary power off the back foot to hurt George if he did connect.

At some point, Foreman might drop him to the ground with the same sort of illegal kidney punch he used on Qawi. George didn't care about the rules, he just wanted to knock his man out or make him quit, like he made Qawi quit. (Why should Foreman care about getting penalized eight rounds worth of kidney punches if his opponent gives up in nine as a result? Too bad he didn't hang around for Tex Cobb and a steel cage match with no referee in an all-Houston Astrodome shootout. They'd be arguing about which of them was the bigger cheat, then complaining to each other during the match that the other wasn't cheating enough. If there was a referee, it could be Cleveland Williams, carrying a gun just like Wyatt Earp did for screwing Fitz against Tom Sharkey.)

 

Ruiz is considered uberlineal. Maskaev is considered interim lineal.

That makes four.