David Tua v Roland Lastarza ?

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  1. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Roland LaStarza never beat a rated 250 pound man, he never fought one either because there wasn't any fat contenders in the 50s.
     
  2. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    David Tua never beat a 184 pound man before, he never fought one either, weight divisions have nearly doubled in the last half of the century.
     
  3. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    David Tua could be a Champion in any other era, as long as he is transported with a steady supply of modern nutrition, trainers, contemporary air conditioned vehicles, and doesn't do any factory labor, so he can maintain a 50 pound advantage on men of the past. But than again, he still may not be good enough.
     
  4. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    David Tua was never outboxed, he just didn't have the motivation in those instances to prevent his opponent from appearing to outbox him.
     
  5. janitor

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    Lastarza would have had more option’s in Tua’s era to be honest.

    If all else failed, then the cruiserweight division wasn’t exactly tough or unified.

    At heavyweight he would have fallen short, but then he did in his own era.

    Why couldn’t he have been an Adamek type contender today?
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Janitor, you are absolutely right.:good

    This is the level Tua was at. He was no more a dominating champion in his day than Lastarza was in the 1950s. Who can dispute it?


    Yes the division looked different in the 1950s but it was the heavyweight division. but era for era, Tua was a Lastarza level guy. They both fell short.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Joe Mesi?
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Look Tua could be outboxed and LaStarza was a decent small cruiserweight who could fight a bit but he was way too small to hold Tua off .. I don't see this going long at all ..
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Joe never weighed under 220 and was pretty fit for all his fights, at least the ones I saw.

    But he was a bit of hype job, just like Lastarza.
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    If they were the same size though?

    Let's not forget Tua was 199lb in his first pro fight with 1990s training. Under a 1950 programe do you think Tua would have debuted even that heavy?

    I've heard people convincing themselves of the unique heavy boned gene pool of Tuas ancestry but the guy who retired Don cokkell was from the same south Pacific background and without 1990s training he did not "grow" into what Tua became.

    No doubt Kitione Lave in the 1990s would have been David Tua?
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Joe would have been less than 220 in the 1950s. And so would Tua.
     
  12. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tua. Tua. Tua.

    Edited to add: People are wrong. Tua did fight 4 guys around the same size as Lastarza. They lasted 5 rounds. Combined.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    But we're they as good as Lastarza?

    We keep hearing how Dempsey beating giants dosnt count because they were not as good as Lennox Lewis. Does it only work one way?
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    And I've seen people performing all sorts of circus tricks and dissapearing up their own rectums juggling weights and hypotheses,anything rather than admit that Mr Marciano s challengers were not all time greats! It's pathetic.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm not attacking Marciano for F*ck's sake I'm saying ,based on his record Lastarza did not merit a title shot !