David Tua versus Jim Corbett

Tua was a lower level talent. Easily outboxed. Corbett as one of the great hwt boxers outboxes him with ease.

 

Fleischer wrote that Corbett was a master of the finer aspects of the game ....feinting, blocking, slipping, footwork, parrying etc.

His style developed based on the fight conditions of that time. Big rings, small gloves, slippery shoe soles.

Take Tua and put him in a 21 foot ring in 1892 and he would never find Corbett.

 

How exactly does a guy with a record of 11-4-3 become a master of any aspect of boxing?


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Fleischer knew no more about Corbett than the rest of us because he never saw him fight.
Corbett was kod by one left hook body shot from a 157lbs man
Corbett was steam-rollered by a crude 185lbs Sharkey.
Tua found Oquendo.
Show me on film where Corbett shows all this expertise?
He was the one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.

Wins over 2 super middles McCaffrey and Mitchell and a thoroughly shot ,2.5 years inactive ,fat, alcoholic don't indicate superlative boxing skill.

Corbett was good for his time, but who else was around?

Fres Oquendo would out box him today.
Now watch a sluggish Tua turn the Oquendo fight around ,and notice he begins the stoppage with a hard right hand,the punch you say he didn't have!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIGJS3yAABE

 

Which 180 pounders beat him?:think

 

You need to watch the Bell,Moorer, and Oquendo fights again ,this time sober!

 

Wow, I didn't think it would be possible... but this thread has become even funnier the 2nd time around!

 

You can clearly see it in his sparring clip.

 

This should put that in some perspective.


Sept.8, 1894 Courtney appeared before Edison's Kinetoscope as the sacrificial lamb for heavyweight champion James J. Corbett. (A report in the New York Sun refers to a comment from Corbett, "...I was going out in Jersey to knock out a stiff.") Both men indulged in smoking a large cigar upon their arrival at the site of the proposed battle. Corbett was dressed in a fine suit and wore a tie studded with diamonds and three diamond rings on his fingers. Courtney, a husky fellow, on the other hand looked like a labourer in a battered hat and cheap suit. Corbett knew nothing about his opponent as he had been secured by his manager. The purse was $5,000 with $4,750 of it going to Corbett if he knocked out Courtney at the end of 6 one and a half minute rounds.
In an interview with the New York Sun reporter prior to the fight with Corbett, Courtney claimed he had KO'd Ed Warner, the New Jersey champion in one round in his very first fight. He then stated he had knocked out Jim Glynn in 2 rounds, Jim Dwyer in 3 rounds, and Jack Welch in 4. He also boasted he had stayed 4 rounds with Bob Fitzsimmons that same year, a claim later denied by Fitzsimmons.

• Two sets of gloves were presented to Corbett, one of two ounces and one of 5 ounces, which he referred to as pillows. At first he opted for the 2oz gloves to ensure he'd knock out Courtney as per the agreement with Edison and company, but his chief second John McVey advised wearing the 5oz mitts so as not to cut up Courtney's face.

• While Corbett seemed to worry himself over every little thing including the size of the ring, Courtney stayed cool and calm and complained about nothing, just happy to be there.

• Corbett weighed 195 and Courtney 190.

Courtney died of consumption May 11, 1896

 

Was this just informational, or was it a point against my post?

Either way, thanks for the info!

 

I think its both really. As Corbett said ,Courtney was a stiff, who wouldn't look good against him?

 

This. All of this.

 

You're going to take some quote that may have undertones that we don't get, over the footage itself?

What would you think of Ali if one of his only clips was the exhibition with the football player? hmm