How about if we put the versions of Ruiz,Rahman,Moorer,Oquendo that Tua beat against the versions of Choynski, Kilrain ,Mitchell , and Sullivan that Corbett beat? How does that suit? Joe Choynski around 165lb lbs when he fought Corbett with one fight under his belt. Jake Kilrain who was basically a bare knuckler and whose resume is studded with men with losing records. Mitchell again a LPR man ,and a big middleweight at best 5'9" and 165lbs for the Corbett fight Sullivan who was an alcoholic wreck who hadn't fought in 4.5 years. These are your elite men. How do these men do against: Rahman 29-0-0 6'2"234.5lbs.Undefeated Ruiz25-2-0 6'2"219lbs Two losses both split decisions Oquendo 22-0-0 6'2"219lbsUndefeated Moorer 43-2-1 6'2"224lbs 2 losses, both to world champions Holyfield and Foreman What say you?
It becomes a bit obscured because he absolutely derailed two up and comers who later proved to be elite. He also derailed Moorer's comeback, who went one to close out his career going 8-1. Rahman was undefeated and would go on to shock the world in 3 years. Time has proven he beat some elite heavies... in fact, 4 champions. And despite whatever nitpicking you want to perform, that outshines gassing out a tired old alcoholic who survived numerous life threatening illnesses, comas, paralysis, a broken arm...
Here is the problem that we have. He beat a number of people who would be top fighters in the future, while he himself was still developing. He also beat Moorer who had been a top fighter in the past, but never would be again. Then he beat Rahman who was a top fighter at time, but under very controversial circumstances. This leaves a few questions unanswered in my book. I admit that I am surprized that he didnt have a few signature wins, but we have to deal with the record we are shown.
When a very good talent is moving up the ladder and is destined to be a champion meets an even greater fighter and gets trounced, their inevitable rise to elite status is curtailed. In the end, the talent was proven.
No it wasnt though. He might have been unlucky to share an era with Lennox Lewis, but I dont think that he was unlucky to share an era with Chris Byrd. Somewhere between the wins that he actually achieved, and his loss against Lewis, there is an empty gap where he should have a win over somebody like Byrd, or a past prime but still ranked Holyfield, or even somebody like Kirk Johnson.
Perhaps he should have retired to an athletic club and become an instructor or gone on the occasional theatrical tour. Regardless, he KO'd four champions in diabolically brutal fashion.
Nah I think he just needed signature wins like janitor said. Had Tua knocked out the HW champ to win the belt, he would be viewed much differently.
Reznick.. janitor think that galento was as good as tua or better,its all you need to know,forget the resumes and nonsenses like that ,it does not work like that in a h2h match with fighters of different eras
This thread asks for a prediction of the result of a fight between David Tua and Jim Corbett. Corbett lost his title as the result of one left hook to the body from a man who was weighed on a steel scale the morning of the fight ,his weight was157lbs. Tua's best punch was his left hook.Tua typically weighed from 225lbs to 240lbs Would you like to address my pairing of Corbett's best wins when he fought them? Kilrain Choynski Mitchell Sullivan Versus Tua's Moorer Ruiz Rahman Oquendo How about those Corbett opponents against Chris Byrd?
Had Tua the historical benefit of facing a fat old alcoholic or one of several middleweights for the title, I am sure he would have obliged. As it is, he KO'd 4 heavyweight champions.
For comparison purposes. Joe Choynski around 165lb lbs when he fought Corbett with one fight under his belt.1-0-0 Jake Kilrain who was basically a bare knuckler and whose resume is studded with men with losing records.19-0 8 Mitchell again a LPR man ,and a big middleweight at best 5'9" and 165lbs for the Corbett fight 27-2 -10 Sullivan who was an alcoholic wreck who hadn't fought in 4.5 years. These are your elite men. How do these men do against: Rahman 29-0-0 6'2"234.5lbs.Undefeated Ruiz25-2-0 6'2"219lbs Two losses both split decisions Oquendo 22-0-0 6'2"219lbsUndefeated Moorer 43-2-1 6'2"224lbs 2 losses, both to world champions Holyfield and Foreman What say you?
John L Sullivan was much more than a fat drunk. He was the Heavyweight Champion, and he fought for 21 rounds before relinquishing his title, and his reign.
Sullivan did little after the halfway mark but cover up and Corbett kept pecking away taking no chances , not going for the finish .Sullivan had not fought for 4 and a half years! Read the reports of the fight they are pathetic ,all John L had was courage.