David Tua -vs- Jack Dempsey

Shown to great effect against Tunney and when he was bounced off the canvas by Firpo and Fireman. A classic take a punch to land a punch fighter.

 

Dempsey was not a take a punch to land a punch fighter on any level.

When he took a punch, his plan had gone significantly astray, and that is what makes him different from Tua.

If we are going to list all the people who managed to hit Tua, we are goiung to bge here a long time.

 

All of Dempsey's opponents hit him hard enough to stop him in his tracks or hurt him. Tua takes allot of punches on his gloves and rolls with the punches and doesn't take too much flush on the chin, consequently you don't see him get knocked down. Where as Dempsey because of his low gloves and lack of head movement gets his neck snapped back regularly. Bit of a difference there despite Tua fighting much superior competition.

 

Tua's defense was crab-like?

He disappeared straight into his shell when he tasted the power of Lewis and began getting soundly beaten by Rahman (until his illegal and bull**** stoppage win saved him) and schooled by Byrd so I suppose it was.

For all his reputation for power and granite chin, Tua became surprisingly conservative on the end of some pretty moderate punishment from some pretty modest opposition. I think he lacked the confidence in the ironness of his own chin that so many on here automatically attribute him with.

 

Why Tunney hit him at will, Meehan and Miske outboxed him, the wide punching slow Firpo hit him very clean, Brennan couldn't miss him with the right hand, Gibbons had no problem landing either

Yes but I'm not foolishly calling Tua a 'defensive specialist and 'hit and not get hit' boxer am I, I'm saying his defense is at least on par with Dempsey's defense and keeps his hands high and rolls with punches to not get hit too clean.

Well he didn't meet his objectives and the only way I'd believe that is if I was blind and didn't see his head get used as a speedball.

When you come forward in a straight line without moving your head

So a Dempsey nuthugger compared him to another take a punch to land a punch with a limited defense and counted how many times each guy moved his head?

Doesn't mean much if he moves his head around allot and then comes forward without moving it to take a massive flush punch does it?

But go post his analysis it should be good for a laugh.

Beat better fighters too in Moorer, Rahman, Ruiz, Maskeev and arguably Ibeabuchi

 

This fight goes either way, but most likely Tua ko's him. Any style that engages Tua is going to have a difficult time taking his power, especially the size of Dempsey, but Jack could KO Tua as well.

 

Which maybe somewhat believable if we didn't have footage of Dempsey being hit cleanly time and again.

With respect I don't think you really understand the real world dynamics of defensive techniques. Mocking Chuvalo's defense is wide of the mark, he rolled with punches very well and attributes his durability partly down to his neck but largely because he didn't get hit half as much as people thought he did. Tua has good technique, better technique than Dempsey, although Dempsey is more dynamic. I don't think you understand your favourite fighters strengths in this match up, which are clearly stamina, workrate, toughness and footwork.

Tua doesn't do that, that's not really the definition of a 'great offensive fighter' either. That's an offensive fighter who combines defense well.

Well I've boxed myself and understand what I'm viewing, have and do you? I can see mistakes and see the strengths and weaknesses of a fighter.

Don't compare Dempsey's defense to Duran's or Armstrong's, he's far too hittable to be comparable to them.

Dempsey and Frazier could not, both get hit time and again but land the better punches

Tua's technique is actually of a very high level but he's lazy and not very dynamic. He's only 5'9 fighting 6-3+ opponents and isn't quick enough of foot to force an exchange, when he does exchange he's pretty deadly.

This I would agree with you although I think Dempsey/Frazier make allot of errors

The same could be said for Dempsey, Tua beat more HW Champions

 

tua ko1 or 2... this fight is not even close.. tua is much bigger, much stronger, hits much harder, he had a much better chin, harder left hook... beating