David Tua -vs- Jack Dempsey

John Ruiz. Like him or not he has been a multiple time champion this decade and has FOUGHT EVERYONE and tua was not only the only fighter to stop him, he knocked ruiz out cold in 19 seconds!!!

Oleg Maskaev world champion tua knocked him out

David Izon, Obed Sullivan, Fres Oquendo, at the time were respectable contenders, especially izon.



What made tua murderous was his late clutch power. maskaev rahman izon oquendo all were far ahead on points when tua knocked them out

 

Joe gans defintley took a dive vs Mcgovern.

 

Don't forget Michael Moorer. He lasted something like 30 seconds.

 

Ruiz the clutch,was caught cold ,fought everyone? When did he fight Tyson,Lewis,Bowe? Rahman is average,Oquendo fragile ,Izon was stopped by Grant,Maskaev stopped several times.Moorer is chinny.Tua is best known for fights he lost.

 

I wouldn't have a problem believing Dempsey had the chin to survive Tua if there wasn't so much evidence pointing against it. When did Dempsey ever soak up punishment in a prolonged beating the way Tua did?

The difference between Dempsey-Flynn and Tua-Savon is that, even if we consider the Savon fight a good indicator of Tua's chin, there are plenty of fights that are perfect examples of Tua having an iron chin via taking alot of punishment that conflict with the Savon fight. Ibeabuchi and Lewis, for example. I don't think Tua has ever been down in his professional career, actually, but I might be wrong about that one.

Dempsey, on the other hand, got KO'd by Flynn, knocked down and then punched out of the ring by Firpo, floored by Tunney and so on, and there's no substantive evidence that contradicts this point.

 

He didnt becaus he had good enough defence not to take a prolonged beating from prety much anybody.

Do you think this might not have a bearing on the outcome of this fantasy match up?

 

Even if his defence was amazing, he'd be taking alot of leather, and I don't think he could stand up to it.

He pretty much has to come forward, he doesn't have the style, skillset and size to do what Lewis, or even Byrd, did.

 

Nothing but the truth in that statement. But Dempsey would be more like 220 IMO.

Any takers for Tua under these conditions?

 

Lewis refused to fight ruiz, and was stripped of his title. Riddick Bowe? he was busy getting beat up by andrew golota(who ruiz beat) and retired just about when ruiz burst into the contender scene. Ruiz didnt fight tyson, but tyson was washed up by 2000, its not like he was worth fighting. Ruiz went 1-1-1 with the same holyfield who fought close fight with lennox lewis in the rematch.

 

I'm afraid I have little trust in Kahn's words, the reasons are stated in the same IBRO article, he messed up the facts many times, as well as has a strange choice of sources.

Please, remind me, when did Flynn and Johnson fight? What about Langford fight, did it just happen recently? 5 and 7 years is a long time.

The point is, regardless of how much money he had left, he still was receiving almost the same amount of money for usual fights against nobodies.

LaMotta-Fox had rumors in the press immediately after the fight that it might have been not on the level. That, of course, doesn't always mean it's true, that fight being a good example. As I previously said, no evidence was found of a fix, other than Jake's own words many-many years after the fight, but his brother still refused to admit to anything, and if we are to believe Jake's autobiography, it was his brother who worked out the deal, so without his confirmation, Jake's words meant zilch.

 

Jake Lamotta took a dive against billy fox, thats not an opinion. There has been evidence linked before and after the fight. its a fact. The fight was a joke, no way fox could ever dream of flooring lamotta, let alone kayo him

 

The tools that will win this for Dempsey:

1. Slipping punches, nobody dose it better in the history of the heavyweight division.

2. Infighting, nobody dose it better in the history of the heavyweight division.

Personaly I would be more concearned about the obstacles that Tua has to overcome than vice versa.

 

Rahman was linear heavyweight champion and has been ranked in the top10 for more than six years. I wouldn't say that makes him average. That said, i scored his fight with Tua in his favor and the KO was a bit controversial.

Ruiz, love him or hate him, has fought top contender after top contender since 2000 and never been KO'd or close to it again; Tua laid him out cold in 19 seconds. Yes Maskaev, Moorer, and Izon had been stopped before, but so what?

Chuvalo had been stopped before. Frazier was down several times against Bonavena. Norton had a glass chin. Lyle had been stopped by light hitting Ali. So, does that mean Foreman couldn't punch?


Also, on the "Tua is most known for the fights he lost", fair enough, though i would like to add that i (and a lot of people with me) thought he edged the Ibeabuchi fight by a very close margin.

 

Ruiz would have been stopped if he had fought lewis ,Im pretty sure of that.I know you are not a fan of Dempsey ,but imo he was a great fightwer ,Tua is merely a good one.Tua ,imo ,swallowed it against Leiws and fought just to survive.He is strong and durable,so was Willard.