David Tua vs Jim Jeffries

Pollacks bio on Jeffries tells the tale.

 

A broken rib and a dislocated thumb usually need some attention.Many thought Sharkey deserving of a draw.

 

From the reports I've gone through there's a pretty clear consensus that Jeffries deserved the decision.

And what broke Sharkey's ribs?
Also Jeffries was fighting with an injured arm.

 

I was recently watching a couple Tua fights. I was searching for that wonderful modern movement and technique many seem to see here. In fairness, I did need to adjust my glasses once and took my eyes off the screen briefly, so maybe I missed it.

 

Jeffries was fighting with an injured arm and Sharkey stated his was dislocated during the fight.Pollack's book gives loads of reports, many thought the Sailor entitled to a draw.
What broke Sharkeys ribs? Well I don't think it was George Siler, at least its not mentioned in any report I've read. So I'm going to take a wild guess and say Jeffries did it.
NY JOURNAL Draw.
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE Sharkey.
PETER MAHER Sharkey.
KID McCoy.Sharkey.
JACK McCORMICK Draw.
SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER 1 writerSharkey I Jeffries
MIKE DONOVAN Draw.

 

It may surprise you to know this, but Jeffries supporters know exactly how old his opponents were, and how much they weighed (in as much as their weight is possible to know).

Where we part company, is in the fact that we don't see these numbers as being a devastating counter argument, without any further context.

 

Sure. Guess no need for silly things like weight divisions or outdated concepts like age or ring activity. That puts too much strain to have to substantiate romanticized claims with provable context. What we need is more Ed Dunkhorst.

 

Kinda like those Magic Eye photos - if you stare into the film long enough…unfortunately, I could only see a giraffe.

 

I would say that context is as important, if not more important.

Some 37 year old fighters are tired old relics, and some are killers.

Some inactive fighters are fighting exhibitions daily, and some are getting fat on their alfalfa farm.

The main weakness with the size argument, is that there are big heavyweights in every era.

If a small heavyweight has legitimately proven their superiority over the big men of their day, then their size is much les important.

 

It may surprise you to know your opinion on this subject is of no further interest to me.
I thought I'd made that plain,at my age life is far too short to waste it attempting to debate with you.

 

Then why are you doing it now?

 

I'm not debating,I am explaining ,something anyone who gets involved with you spends far too much time doing! Bye.

 

No, contemporary journalists I suppose.

By the way, I love how you ignore every single post @BitPlayerVesti writes, even though he have done far more research than you on the subject.

 

Do you mean present day journalists? If you do, how would they know?

Bit Vesti produced his posts I referred him to Pollacks book which has loads of next day reports in it. Here is a sample about the Ruhlin v Fitz fight,which is the one we are at odds about.
"Bob followed with a final tremendous left hook/ uppercut under the chin which raised Ruhlin off the floor and made him drop heavily on his head,limp and lifeless.
He was
knocked out so cleanly that the count wasn't even necessary.
Gus was out cold.
Ruhlin's seconds dragged him into a chair in an unconscious condition.

After getting to his corner Ruhlin vomited blood and because he was bleeding from his ears as well ,his handlers were concerned and feared fatal results.
His eyes were closed his face badly bruised and his body severely punished."
Fitz went to Ruhlin's corner held his head up and spoke to him but when he let go Ruhlin's head fell onto his chest he was still out.
Jeffries visited Ruhlin in his dressing room but Ruhlin's right eye was swollen shut,his left eye badly discolored and swollen,his face the color of uncooked liver.His mouth was so swollen he could hardly talk above a whisper.
Ruhlin was in a bad way.
While in the dressing room he passed out and lay unconscious for an hour"
When Ruhlin finally left his dressing two men supported him, he could hardly walk and twice staggered as if about to fall.
Even into the early morning hours Ruhlin's situation was precarious .
Ruhlin talked incoherently and lapsed occasionally into unconsciousness.
A Doctor said Ruhlin was in a state of total physical collapse.
He was fearful that Bob's blows had caused a blood clot to form on the brain.
Physicians worked over him all night,it was not until 3.30 am that full consciousness returned.
When the Doctor tried to examine his body Ruhlin winced with pain.His breathing was irregular.
After an hour he vomited and then went to sleep.
Both his eyes were almost closed and his face appeared as though it had passed through a threshing machine.His right arm is all black and blue where Fitz's punches landed and his breast is one mass of bruises.
Unlike many Bit Vesti had the courtesy and took the time to produce his argument with quotes. For that I thank him.
I have taken the liberty of quoting from Pollack's first class bio of Jeffries a must for anyone with any pretensions of gaining knowledge of this era.It would not be right for me to steal any more of Adam's thunder and I hope he will forgive me for what what I have used?

Q.Does that description of the state of Ruhlin's immediate post fight health sound to you like the condition a man would promenade in during the next day, glad handing his friends and followers?

I hope my response has satisfied you? If it has that will be a first in itself!

 

No, I meant contemporary journalists.

You quoted a book, he quoted primary sources. Primary sources usually have higher credibility, even over the best books.