David Tua vs Joe Frazier

Does he stop Moorer in 30 seconds of the first round?

 

Anyway i respect the way to argue of senya13 because even if i think that he is very wrong in a few things and biased in some points, he just talk about boxing, he does not use infantile insults when he got frustrated. It is a debate... Nothing personal , guys. Get a nice day. (**** today is a very hot day in my island)

 

These guy has gone to hell and back to discredit Foremans whole career, and the whole basis of his argument is. Tua Kod Moorer in round, means Tua is a harder puncher than Foreman (who couldnt Ko Moorer in one round, or anybody else "decent" for that matter). When names are put forward to him, he dismisses them and also dimisses that Moorer was finished by the time he fought Tua

Yet when asked for Tuas top 10 wins, he failes/refuses to provide any, but instead harpers on about the 70 or so bums Foreman fought out of his 80 fights.

 

yes, it is truth. FIRST HE SAID THAT TUA WAS A HARDER PUNCHER, WHEN HE COULD NOT SUPPORT IT WHIT BIG NAMES IN THE CAREER OF TUA, THEN HE DID CHANGE HIS ARGUMENT SAYING THAT HE WAS MORE IMPRESSED WITH TUA THAN HE WAS WITH FOREMAN, REPEATING THE 2 KOS OF 34 YEARS OLD MOORER AND RUIZ.
AND HE SAID ALSO THAT TUA WAS THE HARDER PUNCHER BECAUSE FOREMAN DID NOT STOP ANY GUY WITH A SINGLE SHOT... BUT TUA RARELY STOPPED A GUY WITH A SINGLE SHOT.. HE DID HIT MOORER AND RUIZ ONCE AND AGAIN... BASED ON THIS ARGUMENT THE WINNER WOULD BE TYSON.. HE DROPPED TONS OF GUYS WITH A SINGLE SHOT... BUT IS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE DID HIT HARDER.. SIMPLY HE DID HIT BETTER!!

 

I saw that question you presented to him and I did not see a response other than more rethorical questions. If a guy ask me for a list in the middle of conversation...I produce the list and let it speak for it self. No need to question motives and purpose. Just post the list...

I am glad you challenged him like that. I would not even respond to anymore of his post until we get the list you asked for. That seems fair and it gets rid of all that snark that gets nothing done.

 

I never said such thing. Why are you making up things?

I didn't say 70 unranked fighters were bums. I said there were plenty of tomato cans on Foreman's record (my exact words - "dozens and dozens", not 70), yet he never scored a single KO in the first half minute of the first round, he only KO'd one person in the first minute of the first round in 81 fights, and therefore the argument that he could KO Moorer that Tua stopped as quickly as David did is not based on anything. But none of the people who supported the claim that young Foreman could do such thing, have admitted they have nothing to back up that claim.

This is not about argueing who was a harder hitter, this is about being responsible for the claims you make, and admitting when you were wrong.

 

Tuas record is littered with D grade bums, same as Briggs and Wilder.

Foreman and Tyson kod Good to Great fighters that's the difference.

Tua kod glass jawed past his prime moorer, a couple of usless bums like oqeundo, izon, and hes made into a mythical monster, who didn't do **** during his own era but somehow magically transforms into other eras and knocks people out?

 

Great point!

Did not do anything in his own era now somehow beats Joe Frazier and resume can compare to George Foreman's. That is crazy what this conversation has come to.

 

This is what the conversation has come to between several of you, not between me and you. I didn't compare Foreman's and Tua's resume, and wasn't claiming greatness or anything of the kind for Tua.

 

You know what I could go for?

A straight answer/breakdown about who wins this fight and how. Tua or Frazier and then be done. It is obvious that we just annoy you and are not at your level.

If you could just do me that favor I would be cool.

 

Tua had one the best chins in the sports of boxing.:!:

 

Tua struggled against guys who were better boxers and those who were not intimidated by his power

 

08-11-2014, 08:32 PM

Before somebody jumps up at me again, he was poor defensively against big punchers, not "too poor" per se, he was no Micky Ward, of course.

08-12-2014, 08:11 PM

 

David Tua certainly was very dangerous. But let's see some facts.
He either KO's his opponents early in 1 rd (Ruiz, Moorer, Wilson, Sullivan)

Or if he doesn't catch them cold in 1st rd, he stops them late while losing on points (Izon, Rahman, Maskaev, Oquendo).

And when he faced boxers that had clearly better skills - Ike, Byrd, Lewis, he was schooled.

Why it's so?

Tua while he is one the deadliest punchers has VERY limited offensive skills. To stop his opponents he needs to find their chins with his left hook, which was often done when opponents were cold in 1st round.

If opponent survives 1st round (and Tua always won 1st round), he starts to easily outbox Tua. Then in the late rounds Tua feels he is losing the fight and tries to be more agressive. Opponents are often tired and easier to hit in the late rounds (and that combined with Tua's agressive boxing in the late rounds is the reason why Tua stopped so many fighters in 9-12 rds).

But the key for Tua is ALWAYS his left hook. He can't do anything if his left hook is neutralized. Because his offensive skills (once again) are very, very limited.

Tyson, on the other hand, was far more dangerous, though he is also short with short reach. Because Tyson and Tua are from different Galaxies in terms of skills.

Not only Tyson has much better speed. Tyson's left hook isn't worse than Tua's. But Tyson also has excellent right hook, straight right, very good left jab and right uppercut. Needless to say that Tyson is much better, sharper combination puncher than Tua.

That being said, Tyson would be much more dangerous opponent for Frazier than Tua. Because if you survive 1st round and neutralize Tua's left hook, then you'll beat him. Tyson is the different story.

 

Schooled by Ibeabuchi? The fight was pretty even and could be scored for either fighter.