David Tua vs Joe Frazier

Stop making excuses and face up to the fact that Tua just wasn't an elite level fighter. The cream rise to the top and Tua, a very good fighter, just wasn't quite good enough.
You can argue the toss as much as you like but the record books don't lie and his achievements don't merit all the hype that is aimed at him. Ultimately he relied greatly on an equalizing punch because he was lacking in the boxing skills department.
I'm not saying that Frazier was invincible but in his prime he was clearly a notch above the Tua's of this world and while his punch resistance lasted was able to give all his opponents, bar Foreman, a run for their money.

 

Frazier was not even a powerful puncher in his own era. He stopped Quarry and Stander due to cuts and Chuvalo due to a thumb. He could not even floor Bonavena in 2 fights, and was the only one to get floored in them. Ali floored Bonavena badly, Frazier could not. Tua was a bigger puncher, had better defense, and could take a punch better in the rare occasions when he got punched. Tua was not any more lacking in the boxing department than Frazier himself whose defense was so bad it caused him about as much brain damage as taking punches. That idiotic perennial head movement slams the brain more often and almost as hard as being punched, and it wastes more energy. Frazier was only good for his weak era, was protected from punchers, and got bombed out twice when he met a puncher. Being decked by less than mediocre punchers like Bonavena & Mathis only solidifies my claim. If these 2 were punchers, then Tucker, Douglas & Holyfield were uber destroyers. Not to mention mighty David Bey, Mark Wills & Mike White.

 

Joe Frazier - Undisputed Heavyweight Champion.
David Tua - Contender
Case dismissed.

 

Now I see it, Frazier KO1 Tua.

 

215 lbs Frazier? Sometimes he was lighter than 215 lbs.

1965 Frazier 203 lbs-goss 190
1966 Frazier 205-machen 192
1967 Frazier 204.5-chuvalo 217.25
1968 Frazier 203-bonavena 207
1969 Frazier 203.5-quarry 198.5
1970 Frazier 209-foster 188
1971 Frazier 205.5-ali 215

I think the 215 lbs wasn't his prime weight.:bbb

 

I agree with you in the cut question.The ****ing cut ko is nothing
to do with the power.This is the one of the reason why the ko percentage
is ****ing overrated thing.Basically a brainwashing thing.
I don't know who started this ko percentage idiotism but he must
be a ****ing idiota.
I think the prime Tucker and the prime Holyfield were good(not great)
punchers. Evander was a featherfisted fighter after the Moorer 2 fight.
Mike White.He was the 80s Valuev.But he has a good win (Douglas)
at least.

 

Glad you finally came to your senses frankenfrank! lol

 

Did you lose money betting on Tua at some point? lol

 

If Marvis Frazier brings the right game plan. He beats Tua. It might not even be that close. Tua was too slow.

 

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Foremanjab I'm fully aware that he was being sarcastic hence the "lol" at the end!
Also good point Janitor, its achievements that count and Tua didn't have the overall skill set to make it to the championship. He's the classic nearly man who when given the opportunity didn't quite have the armoury to grasp his chance.
I think he was a great fighter and was always compelling to watch due to his freakish power but he relied on it as his 'get out of jail' card if he was behind in a fight. Frazier in his short 'prime' was just on a higher level but the style that he adopted meant that he was never going to have the longevity of the great boxers. An intact Frazier without the wear and tear of his later fights would have seen off Tua, because apart from the shell hacking administered by Foreman he was an extremely durable customer and he would have had no trouble landing on Tua.

 

Tua was never a great fighter.For a couple of fights Frazier was.

 

Well put Mcvey. For a few fights Frazier carved out a reputation as a great fighter whilst Tua never reached that rarefied level. He was the danger man of the division but was tamed by the top guys of the division.