David Tua vs. Joe Louis , who wins and how ? ,public poll added.

janitor repeats his claim about the equivalence (or near equivalence) between Tua's and Galento's punching powers.

The reason for Moorer's first win over Holyfield is known to be Holyfield's heart problem much more than any ability Moorer had , which made the whole "lineal" champion a bad joke for a while since.
It brought fighters like Shannon Briggs and Old Foreman to this status.
Not to mention Tyson only decisioned 2 of the 3 reigning titlists of his time and Douglas was unmotivated when he faced Holyfield , not to mention some may say Tyson was unmotivated when he faced Douglas and post prime already (but I won't claim it)
The "lineal" champion is a bad joke since Ali's well staged KO of Foreman , through the questionable decisions he had over Norton and Shavers ,
His ducking of a Foreman rematch , it can even trace back to the days when Patterson avoided the real threats , or to the days when Langford and a few more blacks were denied the right to fight for the championship .

The whole "lineal champion" crap should be revised .

Obviously you didn't see the fight you write about .

Sharkey would have boxed the **** out of Tua , wouldn't he ?

But Carnerra especially was ****.

They could but they would not because they would not have took it for some reason or another :yep

He deserved to win that time and a chin would have prevented the knockdowns and would have granted a more deserved win for Louis.
I know it is beyond you.

Maybe so , which is why I explicitly wrote "the first 2"

I gave at least 2.
And then a chin could grant Louis more opportunities to land something big on Marciano and then who knows ?

It was for a lightheavyweight / cruiserweight champion .
But not in terms of ability for a reigning HW champion.

Louis' best opponents in H2H terms were : Jersey Joe Walcott , Buddy Baer , Max Baer , Rocky Marciano and Ezzard Charles , not necessarily in that order.
This is not like : Lennox Lewis , Ike Ibeabuchi , Chris Byrd , Hassim Rahman , Oleg Maskaev , John Ruiz .

Carnerra and Buddy Baer were a lot bigger but Carnerra especially was ****.
It is you who try to have it both ways , Louis' opponents were either : small , shot or **** , or a combination of those.

Louis never fought anyone with Tua's power nor his chin.
Only you , SuzieQ , TheGreatA , McGrain and your kind think so.

 

Put Louis against Rahman (twice) and McCall and withness the same happening .

I just stated 1 similarity

He did move his upper body and covered his face.
Shoulder roll is ineffective when you have such a massive range disadvantage (more than Toney ever faced) and parrying punches is inferior to evading / blocking and then countering .
And how many times exactly did Louis parry punches against someone who is merely a hardcore boxing history follower but not way too far from the borders of reason and sanity has heard about ? (I mean : not bums)
Don't post me some TGA upload of Louis against one of Gene Tunney's sparring partners as the main event to make your delusional invalid point.

He had a combination of attributes of them and similarities to each , to Frazier the least really .

That is what makes you ****.

A mere parody on a history section poster , a bad example for such at most.

 

Aren't you the one who backed his support of the legend of Byrd hurting Tua with body punches by rewatching the entire 12 rounds in fast forward in 1 minute and claimed this is what real boxing historians / men / something do ?

 

My mistake then.
But I m not cranky and don't need an afternoon nap , I feel good .

 

I could crush every mosquito Louis ever crushed and then many more , and believe me , you won't find many others who could . Then am I as big and precise puncher as Louis , Galento and Baer were ?

Not decent because it was while Moorer was down but then again not his only at all as he had Ruiz , Maskaev , Oquendo , Sullivan , Wilson (undefeated and post his stoppage win over an undefeated Shannon Briggs)
and Izon . And these were just a collection of stoppages. If you watched his fights you would have known the only one who can claim to have a mere decision win over David Tua in or near his prime is Lennox Lewis.

I doubt it but then again they are also more able to cut their weight and make lower weights easier .

Tua did not get beat by Chris Byrd.
You simply didn't watch that fight and repeat your fellow's popular lie.

How exactly will he keep Tua at range ?
At least on paper he had a reach shorter in 2 inches than Chris Byrd's and was he as evasive ?
Not that Byrd ever beat David Tua.
And not that Tua had an "on night" when he fought Byrd (just 1 time)

Calvin Jones , Lester Jackson , Cisse Salif . Just about as ****.

Only for one suspected one night against Jack Sharkey.

I just explained to you why a better chin would have won him at least 2 of those fights and might have won him the third as well.

Exactly , the difference between a win and a robbery , it may have also gave him the opportunity to counter Walcott's punches on time and stop him.

This is simply because you overrate Marciano's chin .

He probably doesn't , a stoppage is much more likely , but who knows ?
with Louis' height advantage and fighting spirit he might survive to the final bell after visiting the floor numerous times and being out on his feet and see himself losing by decision (unless he has the Walcott #1 judges)

Simply by lasting more rounds and having more opportunities , but I am not claiming it is even a near certainty .

But they could make these weights and were smaller than Louis except of a selected few which were mostly total ****.

This is yours' and then some others' twisted perception of the reality.

At least Ibeabuchi and Byrd didn't , you keep repeating your lies but it will not turn them into truth.

I don't count it as a win. Show me where I did. I referred to the Rahman draw.
But so was Louis' win over Buddy Baer the first time , who knows how it could have evolved that time .

But still good wins. Tua stopped Maskaev after Maskaev showed he could fight , and he did it against an undefeated 21-0 Miroschinenko in his debut too.

Not the best ever , but a good one nonetheless.

I Just demonstrated above you are wrong again.

None , because this is a distorted question because Tua's time world class
big men were way better than Carnerra , nothing close to him in terms of overall ability.

Carnerra lost humiliatingly to others except of Louis , and stopped no one of note besides a severely undersized Sharkey on a suspected fight.
And all of that despite enjoying a vast size advantage at almost every fight he had.

You blame me of doing what you do despite I did not , I just proved your claims against my arguments as wrong.

But they were still both better and bigger in average than Louis' opponents.

(1) Not many HWs finished their careers with Tua's resume
(2) What Tua did not achieve was due to 2 things :
(2.1) his huge range disadvantage
(2.2) Every belt holder except of the 6'4" Lewis ducked him

As long as you are happy.

 

Harder punchers than Max Schmelling for sure , probably harder punchers than Marciano too , although less suited stylistically to fighting skilled worn lightheavyweights and light cruiserweights.

They would have done the same with Louis , although Rahman may have been KOd in the rematch against Louis as well , or maybe not.

Then why did Mike Tyson himself stop that fabulous head movement ?
Then why did Tyson retire at 39 with 5 stoppage losses in his record while Tua at this age still has none ?

I wonder how such a brilliant boxing analyst did not turn into a great fighter or trainer .
Maybe tell it to Freddie Roach or to the late Eddie Futch.
Or to Tua's trainers , the disciples of Eddie Futch , now I get it , it is all Eddie Futch's fault that brilliant technique passed away from the world.

Toney never faced the disparities Tua dealt with.

Their achievements is my justification .

What a surprise .

You only back your arguments with ludicrous comparisons , repeated false legends , exaggerated stats and truth ignores

Don't know anything of iron man.