David Tua vs. Muhammad Ali

I think "savvy" is a great way to describe what Ali still had and "sneaky" is a great way to describe how he could win. Its that unknown factor about Ali that makes it hard to pick against him in these fantasy H2H matchups. Even when considering a shot to **** Ali.

 

tua is so overated its funny even the washed up 78 ali schools him .

 

If this was shot-to-**** Ali vs. Ray Mercer (Holy & Lewis fights), would so many people still pick zombie Ali?

 

:yep


Not me though.

If you pick against Ali you dont know **** you ****.:smoke

 

Tua, Ali's biggest weakness in his prime was he was open to left hookers, Tua has 1 of the best left hooks ever at HW, past his prime Tua catches up to him and knocks him out, Ali would lie on the ropes, against wide punchers like Lyle/Shavers thats fine, against someone with such short sharp hooks like Tua he'll take a pasting

 

DonBoxer - what unsavory sentiments, these will not encourage sophisticated debate, or indeed enhance anybodys volcabulory !

I think this fight is Ali's by dint of movement and a distracting points pinching Jab, if he learnt anyrhing along te way it was how to Negate, Steal a round with a last minute effort, and slow the pace down, so not pretty, not exciting, Ali may try to Mug to the Crowd and extend his Jab into Tua's Face, and other Kidology to give the impression that he is Playing with Tua, but e will have felt in the clinches how strong Tua is and will know that he has to treat Tua like a sweaty Stick of dynamite - Keep it cool and it should be quite quite controlable, Tua too slow and streight line in his approach is probably ripe for someone wth Ali's quality of space Perception - it may look similar to Holmes Vs Mercer ?

 

I was having a joke with a friend.
I prefer savory food to sweet. Chrips>chocolate. If what i said was unsavory does that make it sweet. Sweet like Robinson or sweet like Seals?
Sophisticated debate is rare on a forum and mainly something homosexuals in suits aspire to have one day.
If i wanted to enhance peoples vocabulary i would become a teacher.
:smoke

 

Ali probably still outboxes Tua fairly one sidedly.

 

DonBoxer - And i was having a Joke with You !!!

 

Good. Now you dont have to feel my wrath.

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Tua has a puncher's chance against anyone.. But I've never considered him more than a puncher.

Without a surprise upset, any version of Ali would drag out a win..

..and I'm not even an Ali fan, I actually think he was overrated.

 

DonBoxer - OK - LOKI !!

 

Wait a minute here.

This version of Ali is far, far past his prime. He doesn't have the power to keep Tua off of him like Lewis, Ibeabuchi, or Rahman did, nor does he move very much.

Tua, on the other hand, has a hard, fast left hook -- a punch that Ali always had trouble with. Worse, he has a high workrate: enough stamina to set a punchstats record against Ibeabuchi. Stamina was the main reason that Leon beat Zombie Ali at around this time. so I suspect that Tua could at least outwork him, if not knock him out.

Sure, a prime Ali would wipe the floor with Tua, but we're not talking about a prime Ali. We're talking about a shot one. Canny or not, this version of Ali can't beat Tua.

 

I really don't know. I saw both Neon Leon fights a couple years back and I think people are perhaps forgetting just how past it Ali was. Leon's lack of training (in fact you could call it more like anti-training, it got his body in worse shape that just sitting around) and ridiculous corner were just as big a part in the rematch loss than a more focussed Ali.

I have a suspicion that this version is just a bit too far gone for a prime Tua...great in spurts, but Tua's heavier-looking stuff and busier work gets him the win.

 

This thread is VERY confusing.

What the hell is the version of Tua that you all seem to be in complicit unanimous agreement on here?

It isn't like Tua is still in his prime.

The guy that blitzed Ruiz is not the same guy that Monte Barrett dropped and pushed to a gift draw.

You all keep talking like there's only ONE version of Tua, yet we're specifying a very precise version of Ali against the rather vague "David Tua, period"...rather than a comparatively faded version of Tua (ie, the current one).

WTF is wrong with everybody? (or me, since I seem to be the odd duck here that just doesn't "get it"?)

Since when is it reasonable to hone in on a single historical snapshot of one guy in a fantasy match-up, but not the other? :huh

edit: just saw the poll options.