David Tua vs Rocky Marciano

I was admitting that it was a stupid question with an obvious answer. Cheers!

 

mmm.. In a p4p sense Moore is greater than Tua but when did he ever prove he could handle the kind of power that Tua possessed? Didn't Moore get bounced around on the canvas 3 times by 173 LB Yvon Durrelle? KO'd by Patterson? Beat down by Ali & Smaller Marciano? You would have to be a fool to think that Tua wasn't more explosive and a harder hitter than Ali, Patterson, Durrelle and Marciano. Tua was putting guys like Ruiz, Rahman, Maskaev, and Oquendo to sleep, all bigger guys than Moore. It's inevitable in this one that Moore would get cracked.

The older I get the harder it is for me to envision a lot of these Pre 60s heavyweights to compete with hvys of the 90s and the 70s. They not only became bigger but became more advanced and developed more and more tools as time went on. There was nobody like Tua in the 50s.

Also, this argument that 'Oh, Tua lost to every great/very good heavyweight he fought' well his opposition was 10x stronger than what Rocky had to deal with, Tua getting outboxed by Lewis couldn't be any less relevant here considering how Marcicano stylistically couldn't be any different to Lewis, and lord knows what kind of physical damage Lennox Lewis would do to Marciano's face.

 

Interesting ****ogies. They might work better if we were were comparing Moore to someone his own size though. (answer to the second question is Lara, btw)

 

The difference is that those fights actually happened and now we are talking about hypotheticals, but still the point deserves to be addressed. Moore never faced a banger that hit as hard as Tua did at heavyweight that was 225+ LB at his prime. I really think if you take someone like Durelle and put him up against Tua, he gets slaughtered. The size DOES matter, its why weight classes and catch weights exist. It's why the cruiserweight division exists now.

Which massive punchers did Moore outbox at heavyweight? The answer is nobody approaching Tua's explosiveness, weight, and power. Nobody. In fact the only man that could be barely compared to Tua is Marciano and Rocky stopped him as well. Tua would do him earlier.

And he also got knocked out, ya. But Rahman was bigger than Moore and hit harder. He had a longer jab. I'm sorry but I just don't rate Moore that highly at heavyweight. He was at his best at light heavy.

I think it is. Moore was not too fast on his feet as a heavyweight. He could be hit.

 

Hate to keep bringing up style and size (well, not really) but Moore's defensive style was a type that is far more exquisite and effective against his physical peers (and even then, highly exaggerated in this forum) than larger men who can "run red lights" and physically overwhelm him.

 

I'll reply to that Tomorrow McGrain

 

Against heavyweights? "Interesting" is an understatement!!

 

Ha. So now you're ignoring class altogether when it suits your purposes, eh? And those are your examples of big men who can overwhelm him? Hilarious all around! If you don't understand why a relatively flat-footed shell style is better suited against smaller men than against someone like Tua, I'm going to have to explain it tomorrow.

 

What's wrong with you? I pointed out that Moore had a style that would not serve him well against men big and powerful enough to overwhelm him. You suggested that I was wrong with a list of 209-lbers that included a nobody (Parker) and a man with a 25%ish ko rate (Barker). I laughed because I assumed you were being disingenuous. Now that I see that you were being sincere, I take it back. (I also almost laughed just now when you compared them to Tua)

 

Honest, non-sarcastic aside: When I'm carrying on about the fundamental differences between back-foot and front-foot/flat-footed fighters, and why the former have better prospects against much heavier, powerful front-foot-style opponents, does it seem like gibberish/bs to you?

 

Well I learned something today, a guy with 42 KO's from 49 fights doesn't have a big punch, wonder what made 42 men go to sleep ?