David Tua vs Rocky Marciano

Ibeabucci indeed possesed more size and strength than Marciano, but he also only had 16 pro fights and managed to beat Tua who was 27-0. Now what does that say about David Tua?

 

Really?

I would say his oposition is god like compared to the best fighters Tua beat.

 

So he only had half of the fights on his record, the rest was completely another fighter? How convenient. And Ezzard Charles wasn't really Ezzard Charles early in his career and late in his career, he was only Ezzard Charles in the middle, several years? If the guy has a chin, he doesn't lose it after a couple of stoppage loses at the age of 23. Layne had no chin from the very beginning.

 

That tells us that nobody is safe from getting robbed of a well-deserved decision. Absolute majority of people that I've seen or read, who scored that fight, had it for Tua.

 

Joe Louis - 37 years old, about 10-years past his prime and 10 pounds above his best weight.
Walcott - a journeyman who used the possibility (very weak division) to climb up to the top for a short time. When he was 37 years old and fought Marciano when 38 and 39 years old.
Charles - natural light heavyweight, about 6 years past his prime, and 3 years away from the time he held a title.
Moore - natural light heavyweight, officially 38 years old at the time of the fight, but possibly really around 40.

The time was at one of the lowest levels in the history of heavyweight division.

 

Not as low as it is now. You rely on ages too much. How old was Moore when Clay beat him? A hell of a lot older than when Marciano beat him. Guys like Walcott and more got better with age. You'll see of you do the research, that Marciano ended a lot of people's careers.

 

For some reason, people always mention how much weight Tua has on Marciano. Tua weighed around 220-230, about 25lbs of it was flab. Not good. If he trained as hard as Marciano, then he would be around 190-200.

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He has a gut, and fat is going over his knee's. Thus the reason why he weighed so much more then the 185-190lbs Marciano.

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Not an ounce of fat on him, but has muscle too.

 

We have several relatively young natural super heavyweights at the top. Back then it was a no-hope situation.

Moore only took that fight for the money. It is very well known.

They started to look better as the situation around them started to become worse.

 

I don't like when people overrate certain fighters too much, ignoring any common sense. Besides, you can look up some contemporary sources to read what the people were saying about that epoch, it was very poor.

I point out to facts.

Walcott was a journeyman for most part of his career, then, as things got worse, his status elevated for a short time. He never reached a status of ATG.

Watch more of prime Louis, watch his timing and footwork. Prime Louis would dissect Marciano and stop him by mid-rounds.

There are plenty of fighters nowaday who reach similar or even greater numbers undefeated. You have to look up not only numbers or ATG/HOF titles, but also consider at what point of their career the opponents were. For example, Harry Greb beat a ATG fighter in Jack Blackburn. Is this is significant achievement? Jack Johnson beat Jim Jeffries, how about this?

 

You've done a typo. You meant to write "If Tua cut off his arm, then he would be around 190-200". Because only complete morons think prime Tua could train down to 200 without killing himself from starvation/dehidration/exhaustion.

 

I find it interesting how every time a debate comes up on a particular era, your first response is to make reference to the fact that experts at the time thought that particular era was poor.

Do you have any idea what people think of the current era Senya?

 

That would be closer to the truth than thinking that Tua is a 220-230 lb super heavyweight.

 

What dramatic fall? He was never a great fighter, he was an average heavyweight from the very beginning. And like I said, people don't lose chin at 23 years old if they had it in the beginning. The reflexes and skills are still there to roll with or somehow else minimize the impact of punches.

He was fighting tomato cans as he was being brought up. Lost to one tomato can, drew with two other, before upsetting an old veteran journeyman Walcott. Beat an ever inconsistent light heavyweight Saterfield. You calling a win over two journeymen his peak? The thing is he wasn't trully tested prior to facing Marciano, and the hindsight knowledge revealed he was a poor fighter with not very solid chin.

At 23? Give me a few examples.

Since when is a fight against light heavyweight journeyman, where a fighter had been floored, is a proof of solid heavyweight chin?