David Tua vs Rocky Marciano

Prove which fighter has artificial weight. Prove that fighter would only weigh the same in modern times.

I can prove Rocky can bulk because every single man on this planet can bulk. I cannot prove what fighter A would weigh in the 50s and neither can you.

 

What else do you expect?
Constantly bleating on about the same old shite
Steroids
Spinks experiment
Artificial heavyweights
That nonsense about the bloody american army height or whatever.

Just what in gods name do you hope to achieve with it all?

 

I know it, you know it, the entire bloody forum knows it....apart from one.

 

How do you know who is artificial and who is just big?

 

You left out Orlin Norris!!Don't do it again!

 

I'm hoping somebody can convince me there isn't a shred of logic to any of it. Myself I think the truth as in most cases is somewhere between two extreme scenarios. One hand outrageous drugs cheats and on the other weight drained old timers. I'm looking for middle ground or what others might contribute. What have you contributed?

 

I think we have to presume we have already reached a point where almost everything is artificial, but don't hold me to it, there obviously is no certain answer that can be proved.

Look at a Joshua. Isn't he a product of his environment? What about all the positive testing we are getting in HW boxing. How long has it been going on?

 

It's safe to presume nobody would look the same in the 1950s. Nobody.

If that is a bad idea tell me why it is a bad idea. Contribute a countering theory. But don't insult me.

 

Yeah, it's hard to tell. You're right, guys are getting busted for taking drugs today. Didn't Lucas Browne get caught?

Then again, there has to be some naturally big athletic people in the game.

http://imgur.com/a/Fs2ld
Look at that dude on the left. I don't know much about PEDs but would be the one to take them?

 

Valuev is big. David Haye is artificial.

List one fighter today who would shock you if he was cheating?

 

Every damn fighter that failed a drug test.

 

Obviously there always have been guys who are magnificent specimens to start with. That dude on the left could be close to natural full potential, I'm a boxing guy not a bodybuilding guy, so I don't know exactly what I am looking at, muscles I guess, but I recon a guy like Bob Sapp probably did not exist in any great numbers at that time.

The other thing back then guys who looked like that might not have been able to fight for sh!t. Back then They used to go on about being too musclebound, guys being too stiff. Nobody scouted bodybuilders and turned them into boxers. It all changed much later when advances were made in training and enhancement.

 

So the fighters that haven't failed a drugs test, you're ok that their weight isn't artificial?

Anthony Joshua for example.

 

Officially I think everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But it does not make sense to presume everyone is innocent or as natural as the pre modern era.

If there is a clean way of developing extra size in a way that does not prohibit performance it still is technically an artificial way of developing size. An unnatural, untraditional way of enhancing size that was not previously available.

According to former UFC champion Renzo Gracie "almost every MMA fighter is on steroids because the fact of the matter is, you can't compete at such a high level without them."

 

It's not artificial, PEDS are artificial yes, but other training methods are just training methods.

Anyone can weigh anything they want. If someone in the 50s wanted to be 240 pounds they could have been 240 pounds.

People have got bigger, fights have got shorter and the weight in period has been extended.

The most talented person above 175 today is probably Usyk and he weighs 200 come fight night. Why should he consistently face heavier men when he can clean up at CW and get a title shot off the back of that?

Adamek, Haye and Holyfield all did the same thing as well.

If you can weigh 200 you will fight at CW.

There are more 6'3 men then there was in the 50s so therefore there are more 6'3 boxers then there were in the 50s.

If they can fight for 12 rounds weighing 240 why would they trim down to 220? There's no good reason.