David Tua vs Rocky Marciano

But Wilder has just weighed in at 222 how is that a SHW? That on your "could make cruiserweight" cut off.

I reached no dead end, you mentioned American 6'6 men dominating, something which has literally never happened in history including today.

The way Armstrong went from Featherweight to competing for the MW championship you mean? Yes that paves the way for future SHW success.

Everyone could, yes.

Boxing is a global sport, not an American sport. In fact the only 3 dominant SHW fighters history has ever seen have all been none Americans.

 

you asked to name a 6'6" American heavyweight who was at the top of the division today, you didn't mention weight for that request. I simply answered you. I agree he is light compared to most.

and I agree with you. That is precisely correct. I asked where They were. That is the opposite of saying 6'6" Americans have dominated.

Where were the 6'6" HWs when America was the nation of tallest people during the 100 years that the US dominated HW boxing?

I know, I ageee. I am asking for logical explanations as to why it is fair to write off traditional heavyweights when the difference is often just the artificial weight rather than class.

In the case of Marciano and Tua it could not be more obvious.

 

On a side note, discerning innocence and natural can be a tricky proposition: boxing didn't even ban steroids until well into the '90's. That left a large period of time (well over 20 years if we're being conservative and giving the benefit of the doubt) where fighters had access to steroids, but were also legitimately innocent of any wrongdoing.

 

We cannot know how wide spread it was during that window of time. Could be minimal or it could be huge.

In the early days I imagine with what we know now we can spot who certain suspects might have been, but without the testing in place we can only assume or point to obvious irregularities becoming Commonplace.

However if something isn't banned it doesn't necessarily mean it would still be allowed if the authorities were aware of it. It also doesn't mean they can stop it either.

Frans Botha and James Toney were both stripped for testing positive.

Officially, the only thing Tommy Morrison ever tested positive for was HIV. In 2006, Morrison claimed his 1996 HIV test was a false positive caused by steroid usage. he said then that steroid use was widespread.

Vitali Klitchsko tested positive in 1996 when he was in the Olympic team, he said he took steroids for a leg injury.

Federal documents say Holyfield received packages containing human growth hormones in 2004. The packages were addressed to an “Evan Fields,” but Holyfield’s PED usage could have possibly started in 1988 during his jump up to heavyweight. According to Dr. Margaret Goodman, Holyfield was questioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission about HGH usage following his 1994 loss to Michael Moorer. After the fight Holyfield encountered heart problems that could have been caused by growth hormone usage.

 

You might as well have asked for a 7 foot Frenchman to make your point. You have insisted on the name of someone fitting this mythical criteria which has never ever dominated the sport.

We write off sub 200 pound fighters if they are weighing sub 200 pounds because the weight difference is too substantial for the fight to be a matter of styles.

Tua wasn't ever the champion in his weight class so that proves the point further. Tua was rendered impotent by Lewis despite his added bulk.

 

Does he not remind you of the way MAG obsessed over Duran?

 

He took offence when i called him a ****ing idiot but how else can you honestly describe someone like that.
He will be trotting out the exact same nonsense for next 12 months if people reply to his ramblings.
The bloke obviously has some mental issues, especially when it comes to size.

 

Worse mate, this is on a whole other level.

 

I've always been intrigued by the Ferdie Pacheco experiment that saw Jimmy Ellis gain 16 pounds of solid muscle whilst becoming quicker and more durable. He added 10% of his body weight in lean muscle which reduced his body fat.

He went from losing 3 out of 4 at MW to going on a HW tear resulting in him holding a portion of the crown.

All SHW development today is a direct response of the Pacheco experiment.

 

Now all you have to do is repeat this over & over & over again ----- as though everytime is the first,. Lol.

 

least I have something to trott out, a theory an idea. You don't have to agree Just come back with something that makes more sense.

But You yourself dont appear to have anything to contribute by way of explaining why things evolved the way they have. Pity that..

Steroid abuse is staring us all in the face and it has been for years.

Nobody has a theory to explain why it was when the Americans dominated the HW championship they did not produce 6'6" dominating heavyweights during the 100 years they produced the tallest people?

 

THERE HAS ONLY EVER BEEN TWO DOMINANT 6'6 HW FIGHTERS IN HISTORY. TWO BROTHERS, ONE OF WHICH IS OFTEN CRITICISED FOR A WEAK RESUME, THE OTHER IS A MAN WHO WAS CHAMPION FOR A DECADE.

 

Lol, Jimmy Ellis gained 16 pounds of solid Afro. It was a beast. As a middleweight Jimmy had a tight fade. Lol.

But Joking aside, it is a good case in question. Thanks for contributing an Ellis theory. Nobody was suspicious of him and this was before mackey Shilstone..

It was an isolated incident for the time, but hats off to Jimmy, it was a very ambitious plan for a middleweight in those days to take such a leap. And he pulled it off!

I think he was clean and if he was he deserves every bit of credit. He could be evidence of this kind of leap being achieved without a drugs program.

 

I agree. And it did not happen in the century I was talking about. I asked where they were In that century .

Where were they? If that size of people were around in America and the HW division always depends on the biggest being the best, where were they in the 1940s,1950s, 1960s, 1970s..