David Tua vs Rocky Marciano

Honestly I think you need to take a deep breath and consider what your actual point is. No implications, no tangents, no hiding behind small men gaining weight.

Just say what your point is and put it out there as clearly and eloquently as possible.

 

Height came into it after years of being told that everyone is getting bigger and that's why we have so many 6'4" pluss 240 pounders, but I discovered that the height of the Americans (who had always been the worlds tallest people) actually levelled off between 1960-70s. Surely this means until then they must have always been producing similar numbers of the biggest people as we see now.

I asked since the Americans dominated heavyweight boxing for an entire century why was it when the height of their population levelled off, why didn't we see more giant sized American heavyweights contributing that century before it levelled off in the 1970s? This means 1960s, 1950s,1940s etc. Instead we had Joe Louis sized champions dominating instead.

My theory is improvements to physical performance have been realised to the extent that the largest men now benefit from boxing training in a way they had not previously under old time methods. And in greater numbers. Like only two guys under 6'4" in the top ten kind of thing like we have now.

To debunk my theory I am being told that I am an idiot, that I am insisting there were American giants dominating (even though I never said that) and that boxers recently just got bigger all on their own once the rounds got shorter.

I think the rounds getting shorter is part of the way there and I think the Mackey Shilstone/PED factor utilising the worlds tallest men is the other way there.

 

There aren't American giants dominating now. There has never been American giants dominating!

Shilstone did nothing Pacheco didn't do years earlier.

Up until the 70s average HW weights was broadly similar.

Since the 70's it jumped way above 200 and has been jumping ever since.

Most before the 70s would be CW today. Most since would be HW today.

Why do you have such issue with this? It's evolution.

 

But you know I never said there was!!

Four times now!

What I am saying is when America was producing the biggest people the boxing champions Were mostly Joe Louis size not Lennox Lewis size even though they had plenty as big or bigger. Then their population topped out and levelled off producing big people.

Then there was a boom in guys as big as Lennox Lewis in the world ratings. Just like that. Tucker, Williams, Ribalta, Mitch Green, truth Williams, Biggs, Bowe, Lewis, Golota, Grant, Klitschkos, Furry, Joshua, Thompson....

 

There aren't American giants dominating now. There has never been American giants dominating!

Shilstone did nothing Pacheco didn't do years earlier.

Up until the 70s average HW weights was broadly similar.

Since the 70's it jumped way above 200 and has been jumping ever since.

Most before the 70s would be CW today. Most since would be HW today.

Why do you have such issue with this? It's evolution.

 

The stuff Povetkin got caught with has been legal until 2016. Whatever he was doing, chances are, everyone had been doing.

 

Ok for the fifth time...

I know there are not any Americans dominating now. There does not have to be! There never was American giants dominating, because when the Americans were dominating only the Joe Louis sized ones did the dominating. This was in spite of the fact Americans produced as many big people as there are now 40 YEARS AGO.

So You are actually agreeing with me!

By Jove, I think he's got it!

 

exactly. And I bet that stuff pushes physical performance beyond what was previously capable using old time methods

 

I honestly don't know what your point is. You speak to much in innuendo, implication and riddles.

Just lay it all out, what is your point.

 

read post 592 over and over. Once it has sunk in and you have something sensible to add let me know.

 

Jeffries was not 6'2" and Johnson was 6'0.25".

 

I'm on my phone so it doesn't display post numbers, is it the one when you quoted Dago?

 

Yes, it was this one..


Height came into it after years of being told that everyone is getting bigger and that's why we have so many 6'4" pluss 240 pounders, but I discovered that the height of the Americans (who had always been the worlds tallest people) actually levelled off between 1960-70s. Surely this means until then they must have always been producing similar numbers of the biggest people as we see now.

I asked since the Americans dominated heavyweight boxing for an entire century why was it when the height of their population levelled off, why didn't we see more giant sized American heavyweights contributing that century before it levelled off in the 1970s? This means 1960s, 1950s,1940s etc. Instead we had Joe Louis sized champions dominating instead.

My theory is improvements to physical performance have been realised to the extent that the largest men now benefit from boxing training in a way they had not previously under old time methods. And in greater numbers. Like only two guys under 6'4" in the top ten kind of thing like we have now.

To debunk my theory I am being told that I am an idiot, that I am insisting there were American giants dominating (even though I never said that) and that boxers recently just got bigger all on their own once the rounds got shorter.

I think the rounds getting shorter is only part of the way there. I think the Mackey Shilstone/PED factor utilising the worlds tallest men is the other way there. Like all theories The truth is in the middle somewhere.

 

I'm not ignoring it, I believe the total pool of giant men getting bigger is also part of it. For instance The pool of giants is getting bigger across the world now. For many years it was just the Americans who had that pool. I am aware of it. I just think there is more factors to it.