David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano.

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Charlie Goldman realy made a silk purse out of a sows ear when he trained Rocky.

 

If you are reading testimonies of heavyweights, you get a lot of ideas of how clever and skilful they must be, going simply by their words. Compare them with actual clever and skilful boxers from lower weights, and they are clumsy, slow and predictable. This includes Jersey Joe Walcott, whom many consider such a boxing master. Even Ezzard Charles wasn't that hard to hit in the footage we have of him at heavyweight, and he was 10 times better defensively than Marciano.

 

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I think you consider defence in conventional terms only. You dont have to look good doing it, if you dont get hit it is a good defence.

 

Nobody's going to just march forward and open Tua up like a tin can, but perhaps Marciano brought something that the power-punchers above didn't.

I get the sense Rocky's endless hustle would disturb Tua, forcing him to either work or eat leather. Now these punches may not rattle David's nerve-endings, but they may become indigestible as the Rock insists on a murderous pace.

The legs may not go, but come double figures, when the rallies don't stop, the canvas might start to look like a king-sized bed.

Even the trim David who had it out with Ibeabuchi took five every now n' then. There would be no resting here.

If I'm way off here i.e. Tua continued to grin at Marciano's stubby sledgehammers, then the basic blueprint should still suffice to outpoint a far more limited fighter.

It feels crude to insist on the opposite; physical advantages are more likely to flare up and dither than prove decisive. You need more dimensions to bury the Rock - a truly great fighter. Tua's wide-swinging and flimsy inside game could provide just the route Marciano needs to dish out another career-ender.

 

Yeah, right, now Marciano is going to easily beat the number of punches thrown by Ibeabuchi in that bout (who was a harder puncher as well as better boxer than Marciano, not to mention the size difference). The level of silliness...

 

Has anyone mentioned burst blood vessels? Are we there yet?

 

Fighting over the hill blown up light heavies and cruisers didn't hurt either. :yep

 

Again, all this depends on Marciano somehow being able to take Tua's punches. That isn't happening. Marciano is not taking Tua's punches for 10 rounds or anywhere near it. He gets knocked out early. As for Marciano's pace, you're exaggerating it. You're only looking at moments when Marciano thew a lot of punches but Marciano typically didn't start fights like that. Either way, if he comes out slow against Tua, he gets knocked out, and if he tries to play the tough guy, he still gets knocked out.

 

Nutbags have compared Marciano's power to an armor piercing bullet. atsch

 

I've really stopped caring in these threads... by and large.

 

A really sophisticated assesment.atsch

Technically Marciano is awkward for anyone. He was an expert mauler and inside has a better repitour of short punches than Tua. I dont think Tua is keeping it at long range. Why would he? This fight is fought at close range. When two fighters smother each other it comes down to workrate not size. I see Rocky getting his hands free more often. Will Tuas weight tell inside? Only if hes not getting hit back. He will be getting hit back by an ATG puncher.

If Harry Greb could give away weight mauling inside without Marcianos punch I am sure Marciano can do the same. I can see Tua getting frustrated and gound down. Tua was a dangerous man but without the focus of a true world beater i dont see him holding it tigether if things dont go his way. Marciano is giving away more weight but no height so Rocky is not working so hard to find a home for his bombs.

Tua has the punchers chance of course but thats it.

 

You're not wrong. Tua's left was a seriously heavy punch, and if it landed clean on Marciano we very may well get some results, but a curtain call? Buzz Marciano and he adapted, perhaps aggressively so, but there are various ways to survive.

The way Rocky skulked his way in between your arms, threw short uppercuts and body punches could prove the right recipe - fight too close. Marciano had a consistency and culture to his work that was absent in Tua's, that stopped him from complimenting his natural assets.

There is a bigger leap of faith involved in prophesizing a Tua victory, a very powerful though incomplete fighter, to knockout an all time great heavyweight who was only ever decked by sneaky punches.

No problem if you disagree, but how could you see Tua, not only setting up, but finishing the Rock?