David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano.

It must be obvious to you by now, that no consensus exists among intelligent observers on which eras were best, and how fighters from different eras would match up head to head.

The very least that you should have taken away from your time on this forum, is that there are no easy answers in this game.

There is no such thing as a mindless opinion, only a mindless way of justifying it.

 

So you an Rusak are visionaries who have seen the one truth, and everybody else on the forum is either delusional or stupid?

It is not possible to have looked at the evidence and come to a different conclusion to you?

 

So what would constitute a “reasonable difference” in your eyes.

At what point to a persons opinions cease to be legitimate?

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Janitor, you sure have more patience than i do attempting a debate with Tommo.

He now has the distinction of being the first poster i have ever put on ignore.

 

I don’t want to make you into a carbon copy of me.

If you agree with me on everything there is no point in you being here.

It is to your advantage to be exposed to my opinions and those of others however.

 

In the long tearm i think boxing will benefit from having fighters from many more nations and fight centres than just the Americas and northern Europe. Of course it will...so long as the best end up fighting each other. competition and competitive fights make great fighters.

David Tua was an intresting contender who did not fully reach his potential. He had many qualities that only great fighters posses but for whatever reason was a bit too one dimentional (and fat) to actually beat a great fighter. To beat a proven great fighter you have to be one yourself.

Sure Tua beats great contenders from other eras, sure Tua might beat a weak stop gap type champion from another era - but hes not beating a great champion from another era. He could not do it in his own time when accidental champs like mccall, moorer, bent and rahman could.

 

Although I have little to no memory of writing the post you quote, Tua's main problem was not getting the proper shot at a title. Were it he instead of Foreman in the ring against Moorer, he would have been a belt holder.

That said, I completely deny the equivalency argument for the heavyweight division between eras upon which posters like Janitor rest the bulk of their tired arguments. It is just not so. No other division has changed so radically in the size of their contenders as the heavyweight division has. It is a fact. And those that deny that added functional size and strength are not a factor have obviously never stepped into a ring.

 

It is a factor, of course it is, alongside fighting more experienced, all time great fighters it is not always the most important factor.

I have spent years stepping in and out of rings taking on fighters of all shapes, sizes and ability levels both competitively and sparring and there are many many factors to determine or restrict an outcome.

Pace is a factor

age is a factor

skill is a factor

experience is a factor

power is a factor

functional size is a factor

durability is a factor

stamina is a factor

courage is a factor

knowlege is a factor

speed is a factor

reflexes are a factor

ability is a factor

instinct is a factor

There are a lot of factors. if all factors are equal one factor will make the difference. Be it size, reflexes, kniwledge etc so yes, sure sometimes size is the difference. however if all one man has is size over the other guy is he will still lose if most of the above factors favour the other man.

can i ask you, what factor would you chose if you could only chose one?

 

Yet, the sport is not segregated into divisions of instinct, reflexes, courage, knowledge, experience, durability or skill. It is divided into weight classes.

 

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Upsets can always happen. The rule of weight divisions follows a general trend and is not an absolute for every case. A few aberrations do not the general rule defeat.

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Debatable. A Tua-Holyfield match would have been very exciting. They sparred a lot under Duva.

 

Who do you see holding the title if Lewis is removed from the timeline.

I am curious.

 

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