David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano.

He has no clue what he's talking about ... clearly .. one guy iced big, strong, brutal, young world class heavyweights .. the other feasted on older cruisers and blown up light heavyweights .. we're not talking about pund for pound greatness, simply head to head ... it's silly ..

 

Better then not KOing him at all. You make fun of this when Tua couldn't KO one person at that level in his era? Who's the crazy one.

 

clear as daylight, that's why you're resorting to attacking me and not my post.

 

I have little interest in surgically dissecting the huge holes in your points .. they speak for themselves, they are boring and redundant of the half dozen Rocky nuthuggers that post here. I'm waiting for the rest to get up ... I'm simply bored so came here to play a few minutes and see nothing but more of the same ... you want to stay off "personal" attacks then stay off the race issue , especially since you don't know a Polynesian from and African American.

 

"icing" "big, strong, brutal, young world class heavyweights" iz mor evident regarding p4p gr8ness dan feasting "on older cruisers and blown up light heavyweights"

 

I know a Islander from a African American.Where he is from they're black/brown..same thing mate. Dissect it. You're laughing at a man who beat whatever was in front of him in his era and you want to say you're rationale? Not only did he beat them he really beat them or is that "absurd!"

 

Marciano, tua is fat, marcian ran 10-15 miles, he'd dance circles around tua. People think Tua would nail marciano, but marciano would look at his belly, and realize this guy can't go 15 rounds, this guy will be gassed by 6 rounds. Marciano could literally run for 5 rounds straight and just throw enough punches to bait tua into an attack. By 8 rounds Tua would be huffing and puffing and Marciano has 7 rounds to put him out of his misery. It really would just take a body shot, because with that kind of weight, he'd not even be able to breath.

Tua hits hard, but its irrelevent, his slow hands would mean nothing. Marciano would beat on his shoulders and hands until he couldn't lift them, he'd beat him down in every way. Marciano is kind of like a james toney. He can stand infront of you and make you miss. He has alot of the old timer tricks because he had a great trainer (goldman). Gold had a champ in every weight class in the 30s. He passed on a wealth of knowledge to marciano. There are just a handful of guys who would beat the rock head to head. He was tough, punched hard, had great endurance and could run 15 miles. Punching harder will not beat the rock, you are going to stick and move or try to outbox him. You aren't knocking him out, you aren't going to outwork him. You can only use your defense to beat him. and no modern fighter but spinks or tyson could really give the rock a run for his money. Not that they would win. Only Johnson, choynski, frazier, ali, are sure wins imo over marciano. They are the only ones clever enough to beat him.

 

Tua was a great left hook banger and a solid 5"10 nightmare for the big guys but he could be out boxed and I remember how slow he was against Jeff wooden. He kind of backed up after feeling Lennox power and made a silent agreement not to proceed without caution.

I could see Tua being totally handled by Ezzard Charles and JJWalcott although always dangerous ....Even Archie Moore may be too experienced for any version of Tua but Tua could take out or hurt anyone with his hook....still I bet with the boxers against him (Byrd) Against Marciano it would be a war Marciano would actually be fighting a guy shorter than him and it would be a battle of fireplugs. Tua has a punchers chance but Rocky did well against the pinpoint punchers and handled the power, Tua had some real power in the hook but Rocky had power in both hands. I see Rocky and his work rate being the better man of the 2. Tua lived in the era of Bulk and muscle so not really sure how that would play up against Marciano's fitness but Marciano was the higher class of the 2 and greater fighter IMO

 

Have to presume you're too young to've seen Rocky live. How's it you're as rabid a Rocky fan as an ol'-schooler?

 

Great points,BD

 

Rocky took his time with Kockell and he really opened up around the 7th round , Kockell was battered terrible.

 

With the exception of robinson vs tyson, I agree with all of those. Walcot and Charles were way better fighters than haye that is for sure Ali would KO vitali, probably in about 1 round on a good day 3 rounds on a bad day. Lennox was not known for cutting guys up, he cut up vitali in 2 rounds and stopped him. Ali was way more effective at cutting up guys and he'd finish vitali in 1 round on cuts or 3 rounds by knocking him out. Louis would ko bowe, I don't doubt that for a second. dempsey laid out Jess Willard, no reason to believe he wouldn't do the same to Wlad's glass jaw. At least Willard could take a beating. wlad would not have lasted more than 1 round. I mean if corrie sanders could do it, dempsey sure as hell could :yep Sullivan, well I'd say Jefferies was the best of that whole lot, I don't know if he'd beat lennox in 12 but make it go 45 and thats a different game.

Rock was a good fighter, all one has to do is watch the videos and understand he was well trained
-best trainer around = goldman had a champ in almost every divison in the 30s
-never lost a fight
-could take punishment, I mean he fought with a nose split in 2 for godsake, tua is not knocking marciano out period
-show me a guy who tua punched his nose in 2, and I will think tua has a CHANCE
-Marciano could run 15 miles, if tua punched that hard, marciano could just dance him, yes marciano was not a dancer but its irrelvent, he had the intelligence and the good enough trainer, you can run 15 miles, you can run 12-15 rounds.
-Marciano was a great knockout puncher and was more proven
-Size does not matter that much in boxing. We look at these guys who are 6'6 and 250 pounds and assume they must punch like a bus. We look at guys who are short and fat like peter and tua and assume they must punch like a truck. This is a mistake of basic physics. force = mass x acceleration. The mass between marciano and modern boxers is small. 190 pounds to 240 pounds is nothing compared to the slow hands of these guys. Marciano could whip out punches at more than twice the speed and therefore had more knockout power. A bouncer can often weigh 300+ pounds of muscles but put them in a ring with a modern boxer and they'd get schooled too because there slow hands mean nothing. It is the exact same principle as to why you won't see a body builder in the boxing ring winning. And anyone who doesn't understand this either, doesn't understand boxing, physics or science or just has a bias to size. Watch the Ali -Terrel fight to understand why just being taller or longer means nothing when the small guy has faster hands. the modern heavyweight will NOT land punches. It seems counter-intuitive that the taller, longer armed guy will not land first but just having the speed means that the punch will land first and the bigger taller guy will not land. The size, weight etc all means nothing. and that is what it comes down to. I'd take a modern boxer over body builder any day and I'd take an old timer over a modern guy with slow hands. The 2 hardest punching modern fighters are Tyson and Shavers. Both under 6 feet. Yet I am to believe marciano who was a hell of a lot better than Shavers would just roll over to tua who lost to lennox, ike ibeache, monte baret and chris bryd (who only has 2 inches on marciano in height) and less than 4 pounds in weight and doesn't have the record of marciano, nor the heart, nor punching power. The more I think if, it is an utter shame to be comparing the 2 :-(
Tua lost to Byrd, Byrd has nothing on marciano. Marciano wins 10/10

 

i agree absolutely 100%, it is just laughable saying that marciano was even close to tua in size. and using the fight byrd vs tua as argument in favour of marciano is pathetic.... chris was a boxer, he did aout box tua, marciano was a small cruiser brawler who would trade with tua. tua was bigger,stronger, much heavier, he did hit harder, rocky was dropped by a former mw and lhw 40 years old archie moore... and tua would extract the head of archie moore probably in a single round....

 

just 1 question... how old are you?

 

Over 15 rounds, with 8 ounce gloves, how might Rocky fare against Tyson Furey 'n David Haye?