David tua's impressive amatuer record

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  1. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    84 fights, 75 wins, with 60 wins coming by way of the big 'KO'.

    that aint bad for a guy who is one dimentional and a bum...right?

    he has only 3 loses at the pro ranks. 2 of them loses are to two greAT FIGHTers, one i dont think he lost.

    tua had everything except footwork. his defense is very underrated.

    What would a prime tua do in the current division?
    i think he'll clean house, and struggle with vitali.
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    One dimensional? pretty much...A bum? Never.

    I dont think his amatuer record is that surprising considering he fought mostly in Oceania, which is the weakest am region in the world. Where most of the heavyweight talent from Australia, New Zealand and the pacific islands go into the more high profile sports in the region.

    His defense essentially sucks for a guy who was once supposed to be the heir apparent but his chin is iron so it did not matter so much.

    Prime Tua probably would lose to this cautious version of Wlad just as clearly as he did to Lennox...I think Vitali deals with him also...He would be in the same position he was in his prime IMO, a top contender who falls short of championship material and loses to the best slickster contenders who are semi-durable that are around.
     
  3. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    about the bum-one dimentional' bit, this what everyone says about tua.
     
  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah I dont agree with it...He proved he was far from it with his long list of crumpled heaps on the canvas.
     
  5. RonnieHornschuh

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  6. WhataRock

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    Two Ton Tony beats him for that distinction hands down.
     
  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Heavier doesnt mean fatter.

    You are saying this guy

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    And just so you know thats in his pineapple haircut days as his fight with Lewis was approaching.

    And besides Galento was 233 when he fought Louis, Tua was 245 when he fought his Lewis. Not quite 20 pounds difference is it.
     
  8. Big N Bad

    Big N Bad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hey whatarock, i like your posts, you make some good points all the time.

    one thing i dont agree with what you've said is, and you've said it before, is that tua had no defense. the guy hAD a wicked defense for a come forward guy.

    i dont fight like tua, but i use the same defensive moves he uses. i actually learnt them by watching him. matter of fact i bought a whole career set just to watch how he would use his defense to get inside. and i learnt alot. :thumbsup dont forget he was trained by george benton who uses the same moves.

    i will give you these 3 clips to show you his defense.

    David Tua vs Bruce bellochi
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BNhxSRpRwdw

    you can see his defensive moves clearly from 0.49 and 1.23

    even when he got fat, he still used the same moves, he wasnt the same fighter as he was when he was lighter.
    infact its because tua knew his defense is why he wasnt knocked out by lennox lewis.

    the first round against lennox lewis
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ctXFZ1xiuHI

    Tua comes out like a house on fire, but he gets caught with a brutal right hand which slows him down, that must have hurt (1.23). i dont know how tua never went down?

    but watch 1.48 to see him block lewis's one two. after that lewis is shy to throw his right hand for a while cos he knows david can block it easily. matter of fact he doesnt throw a right hand all round.

    during the fight when lewis would land, it was because of his timing, rather than poor defense. sometimes he'd catch tua on the back of the head with a looping right hand.

    in this fight, tua uses his defense all fight long, cos the other guy kept throwing.
    vs everton davis
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8PI1he02m60

    I think tua never won a title, has more to do with destiny more than anything.
     
  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I didnt say he had no defense, I just said it sucked for a top level fighter.

    You make a good case though...I probably judge him more on his later work where he basically plodded forward eating shots looking to just land his left.
     
  10. TFFP

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    Tua's footwork and speed were worse than his defence. He was more open to the body than the head, but not many except Byrd took real advantage of that because they were scared to bring their hands down due to Tua's power. He always kept his hands really high across his ears, and actually did some subtle leaning away from punches which took the velocity out of em.

    I think the problem was he moved like a hippo in the ring. He was lacking so much mobility, he was always there infront of you. So it was easy to time him and hit him with a straight shot. But I think he blocked quite a lot, its just it doesn't look good when a guy can stand and hit you easy...
     
  11. MrMagic

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    Horrible balance, horrible crude slugger with one punch in his arsenal.

    Lewis already exposed him, and he didn't have the heart to make it a brawl, which was his only way to win that fight. Rahman exposed him twice (in their first outing, Tua had to cheat in order to prevail), in the rematch Rahman not only whipped him whilst being out of shape, but he put him down in the 12th round. Like Merchant said "That was more than a slip, that was a knockdown no doubt!"

    Chris Byrd was literally like a division 1 player in the 4th division of a football game, he never had to dig deep in order to win, he just outpointed the crude slugger without much effort.


    Oh and Jeff Wooden, you may wanna download that fight, I had that fight a draw. Tua basically couldn't handle a regional bum fighter.

    He's a bum, and he'd never be a champion in any era, yeah.. I said it, Peter would probably school this midget.
     
  12. TFFP

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    A bum...for christ sake. Why can't you just be a "good" or "okay" fighter anymore?
     
  13. See Me Flow

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    Too bad Tua got sidetrack with legal issues.
     
  14. MrMagic

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    Wlad would toy with him, literally toy with him.
    Vitali would slaughter him, unlike Lennox Lewis.. Vitali would come forward and finish the job.
    Valuev would outbox David, and that tells something about David :rofl:lol::rofl

    Chagaev, Povetkin, Haye and Ibragimov would all have boxed David's ears off.


    Basically, Tua never beat a top fighter in his prime, he never beat a top- tier fighter, and we all know why.. because hes not capable of doing so.

    Moorer? Puhlease, Moorer was a ticking timebomb by the time David got a hold of him. Ike? Ike beat Tua, it was close but Ike's ridiculously overrated.
    Maskaev? hahaha get the hell out of here, look what Kirk Johnson did to Maskaev, look what McCall did to Maskaev.. all those guys are better than Tua.
     
  15. SnakeFist7

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    ROFL.. interesting. That never happened in the pro game. He was so small then.