David vs Goliath poll #1 (Archie Moore vs Razor Ruddock)

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Who wins David or Goliath?

  1. Archie (David)

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  2. Razor (Goliath)

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  1. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze No Fairy Tales• Full Member

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    LHW vs HW- How far does athleticism and size go against a master of another weight?
    6ft3 vs 5ft11 (4 inch gap)
    82 inch reach vs 75 inch reach (7 inch gap)
    238lbs vs 175lbs (63lbs gap)
    Razors HW prime vs Archies LHW prime.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    I think that Moore was way too smart and too good to be caught by crude Ruddock. He'd outpoint him in similar fashion to first Valdes fight.
     
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  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why 175 weight? His best weight at Hw was very varied but 185-195 he did well at. Either way he picks him apart and KOs him late or outpoints him.
     
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  5. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze No Fairy Tales• Full Member

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    Research purposes that’s why.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Moore is goliath in this fight!
     
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  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When you have such an enormous size gap, the two questions you always have to ask is:
    Does skill overcome size or
    Does overpowering size simply win the day

    History is heavily in favour of the latter.
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think History would disagree with you. Otherwise the champions of now and the past would all be giant SHWs. Only in the age of steroids has the shw been able to even compete let alone dominate. I’m not saying being taller and heavier doesn’t have its advantages it’s just not everything.
     
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  9. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, it's not everything. But it helps a lot, especially if the difference is enormous, as it is here.
    Look at it another way... match the 175 pound fighters against 210+ pound fighters from the last 40 years against each other, and I'd say the vast majority are won by the significantly larger men.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    There’s a significant ability gap favoring the smaller fighter here though. Don’t think it’s that cut and dry.
     
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  11. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze No Fairy Tales• Full Member

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    Steroids are not why they dominate, and not why they can just "Compete"
     
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  12. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is a definite gap in talent. So it depends really what people place more stock in.
     
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  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree. The champions would have always been 6”5 plus shws otherwise. It’s not like they didn’t exist.
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Besides the talent gap Moore is more then proven against 200 plus pound men.
     
  15. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There were some interesting posts about this a few days ago. I think you may have missed it.
    I can only speak for myself, but for me, better nutrition and better living standards have contributed to bigger people these days. People are just bigger now.
    And with an increased population, there are more of them.
    I don't think taking steroids makes a difference, at least not in terms of height. Lean muscle tissue? Sure.