Dawson should stop ducking Diaconu, prove his shaky chin and act like a man!

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  1. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    My bad on the name.

    Decebal,

    So why didn't the Romanian group actually make that sort of bid when they had the chance the first time? What has changed since the purse bid last August?

    Also, you have to factor in Showtime's willingness to base its broadcast from Romania and deal with the TV issues for the American audience.

    What "the Romanians were saying" doesn't count for a whole lot, when you were asked to provide a link. Please do not confuse rumor with fact.
     
  2. Galileo Galilei

    Galileo Galilei Active Member Full Member

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    Again, beat Tarver before someone else does.


    Use the Tarver recognition to land a Jones, Hops, Pavlik, Calzaghe, etc...

    Dawson is looking to make the big fights. You don't like that because it involves your boy Dicunu.

    And I have no idea why you insist Tarver has no other options other than Dawson.

    Tarver doesn't need Dawson.
     
  3. Azriel

    Azriel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dude, you're officially inbred.:good
     
  4. Galileo Galilei

    Galileo Galilei Active Member Full Member

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    Its not my fault you are unable to see Dawson has bigger options than Diaconu.

    You should have told me upfront you're only 7yrs old and saved us both a lot of time.
     
  5. Azriel

    Azriel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Only one word for you.. Mandatory.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Don't be insolent!

    The Romanians couldn't put together that much money back then, but they found it in the meantime, obviously.

    Here's the link that says Diaconu got almost a million dollars to fight Henry:

    http://www.sport.anunt123.com/news/291046/Diaconu-l-a-%C3%AEnvins-la-puncte-pe-Chris-Henry.html

    Here's a link that says Dawson offered Diaconu $50k step aside money to let him fight Johnson. Diaconu, of course, refused.

    http://www.sport.anunt123.com/news/290854/Chris-Henry-a-criticat-dur-arbitrajul-din-meciul-cu-Diaconu.html

    I heard Rudel Obreja, the President of the Romanian Boxing Federation say that he would do his best to get Dawson to fight Diaconu in Romania. A few more investors have been attracted to boxing since Diaconu's last fight and all have offered their support. They will do whatever they can to make this fight, because this is what Diaconu wants. Unless he gets huge step-aside money ($1000k) from Dawson, he'll insist on getting his shot. The last article quotes Diaconu saying that.

    So...yeah...Dawson, as the Champ, would be offered at least as much as Diaconu was offered to come to Romania and fight him. No one has mentioned any concrete numbers yet because it isn't known whether Dawson is willing to fight Diaconu in the first place.

    But given that they payed Henry $620k when he was in the "challenger" position, not the Champ, and that they were fighting for an Interim title, and given that the $1000k figure is banded about, and given that Diaconu, who was in the "Champ" position got $950k and given that there' more money on the table for a future Dawson v. Diaconu fight than for the Diaconu v. Henry fight, I don't think that $1000k for Dawson is too much at all.
     
  7. Galileo Galilei

    Galileo Galilei Active Member Full Member

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    Did you just start watching boxing like.....today?

    Boxing is never that black and white.

    Maybe to you sitting at your desk you can say mandatory.

    But Dawson has to do whats best for his career.

    Getting in the mix with all the big names while they are still around makes a lot more sense than fulfilling his mandatory.

    These are bigger names and actually more dangerous fighters than Diaconu. They do A LOT more for his career than AD.

    Its not hard you're just too emotionally involved to understand.
     
  8. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yet no one has proposed a figure.


    Ha. It doesn't work that way. If anything, promoters are too liberal in making unrealistic offers. They can't wait to toss out huge dollar amounts that may or may not be real.

    Further, they not only have to produce the purse, they must secure American television. I think you'll agree that a non-Showtime (or HBO, but they aren't a factor) bout makes no sense for either fighter.


    Agreed here. I still think it's strange that there are no published numbers.

    The key here is what Showtime will pay to broadcast Tarver vs. Dawson, a fight the network wants very badly. Certainly they want that fight more than Dawson/Diaconu.

    Also, let's float this scenario:

    Let's say that Romania increasingly gets behind Diaconu and the money rises accordingly.

    Now, if you're Dawson, wouldn't it make sense to be stripped of the belt and fight Tarver for his belt, seeing that Tarver has been impossible for him to track down? If he wins (he should), he now has a belt again.

    Meanwhile, Diaconu takes over the WBC belt and becomes a hero in his native country.

    Now, with Tarver conquered and neither realistically having a shot at Calzaghe or Jones, those two meet for the unified belt in Romania in a unification bout.

    Think about it. Diaconu *needs* a big win, especially after his shaky performance against Henry. Perhaps he should take on Johnson, and the winner of the two fights meets in that major unification.

    If Diaconu defeats Johnson, he'll have major credibility and will be the undisputed No. 1 challenger to Dawson's crown. At that point, you're talkin about a *huge* fight and one that both parties would want, as well as major American TV.

    If Dawson goes for Diaconu and then Tarver, he gets two paydays but only one fight giving him any credibility. That's Tarver, as Diaconu would be written off by everyone should Dawson defeat him.

    Conversely, if Dawson goes for Tarver first -- and that's the one that's more difficult to make -- and then Diaconu, he'd have two big paydays (and a huge one in the 2nd bout) and unquestioned legacy points.

    From Chad's perspective, doesn't option No. 2 make more sense? This is business, not fantasy rankings, and the greater money is going Tarver and then Diaconu -- unless Calzaghe gives him the enormous payday afterward (won't happen).

    From Diaconu's perspective, he gets the WBC belt and a big fight against Johnson, who is itching for another title shot. He gains credibility over a name fighter, then carries that respect into unification. He now has recognition within the American TV market, which has no idea who he is at this moment.

    Decebal, please explain to me where I'm wrong.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Because they're almost certain that Dawson will go for Tarver, as arew all of us! If anything, they're more likely to propose the figure that Dawson would have to put on the table as step aside money for Diaconu. Diaconu says he wants to fight Dawson but he also says he wouldn't look unkindly towards $1m step aside money...

    Obviously, I, as a fan, don't look at it like that. I just want to see the fight made.

    Be that as it may, what is real is that they found one million euros ($1.56 million) to share between Diaconu and Dawson for an Interim Title fight. That is a lot of money! I don't know for sure how much Dawson has made against Johnson or would be making against Tarver, but I don't suppose it would be as much as 60% of $1.56 million. Even if he does make more...my point is that the Romanians have the money to make Dawson a serious offer, worth considering, not just a peanut offer. (This is response to those who say that the Diaconu fight wouldn't make Dawson any money!)


    There were published numbers for what Diaconu and Henry made fighting each other. I provided you with the link. There are no published numbers for what Dawson made fighting Johnson. At least, none that I could find! That's not my fault!

    It's not strange that the Romanians haven't made Dawson an offer before negotiations have started. The purse bid is supposed to be on the 3rd of June. I expect that they're trying to find the money to make an offer, in the meantime, just like all the other interested parties. I don't have any inside information so I cannot help you. I guess we'll find out on the 3rd of June, if Dawson shows up, what the Romanians can put on the table. I am only speculating thus far, based on publicly available information and on the purses of Diaconu and Henry!

    My guess is that the Romanians are hoping Diaconu will be payed step aside money. If Dawson drops the belt, Diaconu is declared Champ but he'd be forced to fight Johnson. This fight wouldn't be as attractive in Romania, obviously, but I expect Johnson would get at least as much as Henry got...but probably more! From Diaconu's perspective, I think he'd rather fight Dawson than Johnson, because it's an easier fight, somewhat. The risk/reward is also better. However, he'd probably prefer BIG step aside money + the bigger share of the pot against Johnson, at the end of the day.

    So, yeah, it might be better for both Diaconu and Dawson if they go their separate ways, but why should I care about that? I am not their promoter! I speak as a fan! I want to see this fight!

    And here's the thing! Even if Dawson beats Tarver and Diaconu somehow manages to get past Johnson, I don't think Dawson will agree to fight Diaconu in a unification fight. The reason is his past behaviour. He has done everything possible not just to postpone a fight against Diaconu, or to not fight him, but also to make sure that he'd neve have to fight him! (He tried to get his mandatory status revoked indefinitely, not just postpone their meeting!)

    Why?

    Well, presumably because he thinks that Diaconu is a bad risk/reward! Would Diaconu be a better risk/reward if he beat Johnson? Sure! But I don't think it would be good enough for Dawson. Who knows...maybe Dawson just thinks Diaconu has his number...because it seems he'd rather lose a lot of money and drop the belt rather than fight his mandatory...

    If I thought Dawson would agree to fight Diaconu if they both got past Tarver and Johnson respectively, I wouldn't go on about is so much...but I don't!

    Not least, I go on about it because I am disgusted with what Dawson has done - not only has he not fought Diaconu - his mandatory, but he's also hugged the belt whilst not fighting Diaconu. Even worse, he's tried to get Diaconu's mandatory status revoked indefinitely, thus trying to stop the guy from ever getting a title shot with the WBC at 175! That's just low! The desperate way Dawson has acted in the process has made me think he will do whatever it takes not to fight Diaconu...ever...!

    So...I'm going overboard calling Dawson out. I want to see this fight and I won't be buying any excuses. If Diaconu takes the step aside money...screw him! It's his right, but as a fan, I'd be disgusted.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I don't think Diaconu can get past Johnson. If Dawson beat him, he'd get legacy points because he beat an unbeaten, live, prime, hungry puncher, proving his chin and mental strength. If Dawson ducked Diaconu and Diaconu lost to Johnson, people would just say: "Yeah...Diaconu wasn't that good but he'd still have starched that shaky chin - Dawson was lucky to duck him!" Others would just laugh at Dawson for having ducked a guy who couldn't beat the old man, Johnson.

    No...Dawson can only come out of this well if he fights Diaconu. Otherwise, he looks like a joke, a prima donna, or both.
     
  11. laffie

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    Dear Galileo, Tarver WAS a name. He's an old man. Look again at his fight against old Hopkins. Are you telling me Tarver is still the man?

    If Dawson team prefers to take another way than their mandatory, well it's ok, just say it, leave the ****ing belt and go away. Stop trying to keep your belt while not respecting the rules.
     
  12. Galileo Galilei

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    Oh boy, here's another one :-(

    If you don't realize Tarver is still a big draw than I don't know what to tell you.

    Is Oscar still at his peak?

    Is Jones still at his peak?

    Is Calzaghe still at this peak?

    Is Golota still at his peak?

    Is Hopkins still at his peak?

    Is Holyfield still at his peak?

    You get the picture. You don't have to be at the top of your game to be a draw.

    Tarver is a much much much bigger fight than Diaconu. And thats the fight he'll probably pursue.

    I have been saying all along that it makes perfect sense. Especially when careers, and not just the Diaconu fan club, are at stake.

    FYI, even right now Tarver would beat Diaconu.
     
  13. Brickhaus

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    The fighter's earnings for every US fight is published with the state's boxing commission. Florida's statistics aren't available online though.
     
  14. Brickhaus

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    Tarver would destroy Diaconu much more convincingly than Dawson would. Tarver is a HORRIBLE style matchup for Diaconu. I seriously doubt Diaconu would beat any B level fighter with range and a good jab.
     
  15. Galileo Galilei

    Galileo Galilei Active Member Full Member

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    Both Dawson and Tarver beat Diaconu, decisively as well.

    Hell, Chris Henry gave him all he could handle.