Day Before Weigh-Ins: A Failed Experiment

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  1. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Make them fight where they should be...

    Fck the Broners, Chavez Jr's and Rios's of the boxing world lol.
     
  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    They definitely need more than just same day weigh ins. EBU and WBC both have mandatory weigh ins before the actual weigh in.
    30 days before the fight, 15 days before the fight and 3 days before the weigh in would be nice and if one is failed then the fights gets scrapped.
     
  3. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And nobody gets paid.

    Day before weigh-in is best for business; time to make the weight, reach a settlement or cancel the fight in time.
     
  4. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's no way they'd cancel the fight if a guy didn't make weight for those dates. Way too much would have been spent by that point.
     
  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    OK, but how about a fine?
     
  6. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure they could fine them, but I don't see any fighter agreeing to those stipulations.
     
  7. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Any person who fights for an IBF championship belt has to agree to reweigh him-/hersel the following morning.
    WBC champions have to take part in the 30 and 7(?) day weigh ins before the actual weigh in. (A great rule to make sure that a fighter is not loosing too much weight in a short period of time).
    EBU also has similar rules so its not like its unheard of.

    And you cant ***** about rules that are already been set in stone.
     
  8. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know they do it, I'm saying they wouldn't agree to the fines.
     
  9. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    This...

    Return to same day weigh ins would be nice.
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Ask the guys who used to fight Jake LaMotta. He seemed to think that the middleweight limit was anywhere between 161 and 165 pounds. Seriously, half of his fights he's overweight. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=9030&cat=boxer

    Check out this note from his 1942 bout with Jimmy Edgar who weighed in at 149 1/4. This was a sensational fight. "Edgar kept beating off the persistent rushes of the Bronxite." LaMotta opened up in the seventh round and kept up a pace that Edgar could not match. LaMotta won, but Edgar had a big disadvantage in the weight, considering which his showing was remarkable.

    Of course, we've added the junior middleweight division since then so Edgar could have fought in that instead. Even with those day of weigh ins LaMotta fought a lot of guys who were about fifteen pounds lighter than him. Looks like Robinson fought him a couple of times at 145 while LaMotta came in just over 160.

    Lot of weight mismatches back in those days. Henry Armstrong's middleweight title match against Ceferino Garcia had Armstrong weighing in at 142 pounds to Garcia's 153 1/2. Oh, now this I love. Armstrong defends the world welterweight title against Baby Arizmendi. Armstrong's weight 134 1/2 Arizmendi's weight 136. Of course then he fought Bobby Pacho who came in at 147 to his 134. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009018&cat=boxer

    But from the looks of things, there has always been a lot of funny business with these weights and what officials were willing to allow. My personal opinion, day before weigh ins the guy who's not cheating gets his brain bashed in. Day of weigh ins, the guy who's cheating is more likely to get his brain bashed in. Who are we trying to protect?

    Also, it might help if we looked at statistics on ring fatalities from the seventies and eighties versus the last couple of years to see if the day before weigh ins and fewer championship rounds has had any effect.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    That's why they changed the rule in the first place. Eddie Mustafa Muhammad came in 2 1/2 pounds heavy for his light heavyweight title fight with Michael Spinks. The fight got downgraded to a 10 round non-title fight and the purses were halved. Four hours before the fight was scheduled to take place Spinks pulled out. Can't say I blame him, if they were going to dock his purse half a mil for something his opponent had done. Anyway, networks, promoters, everyone took a multi million dollar hit on that one and they changed the weigh in rules soon after.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...nlEfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PdIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4552,175541

    This was coming swiftly on the heels of the Mancini Kim debacle where Kim died in the ring, and they lowered the maximum number of rounds to 12 and 10 depending on which organization was officiating.

    I'm not sure why they suddenly decided to add the extra weight classes though. I think Cruiserweight and possibly others were initiated around that time.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Anything other than same day weighins give the fighter who does'nt do it right and safe the chance to get one over on a fighter who takes making weight safely and properly and put him at a disadvantage.

    Day before weighins actually deter fighters from fighting in the weight class proper for themselves.

    If a fighter wants to severly dehydrate themselves to make weight on the day of the fight, then he deserves to get his ass beat, simple as.
     
  14. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Weight-ins should be the same day AND maximum one hour prior the fight.

    That way, nobody would ever take in consideration to dehydrate, it simply would become harmful with no advantage whatsoever.

    So, we could finally see fighters fighting similar sized opponents, no excuses about dehydration effects, weight advantages, etc..

    But it will NEVER be done, for the simple fact that dehydration and rehydration allows a lot more matchups and fake fights, hence MORE MONEYS.

    So forget about it.
     
  15. Saku

    Saku We Are All One Full Member

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    I have to agree with this post.