De La Hoya "Maidana most dangerous for Floyd on paper"

Bald_Toad · Feb 27, 2014

oscar always says these golden boy tomato cans will give mayweather trouble

modernfonzie · Feb 27, 2014

I Know Everythi said: ↑

Oscar is one of the most overrated boxers, no, one of the most overrated athletes in the history of sports. Oscar was exposed and showed up every time he fought top level competition - and still got many gifts in the process. Oscar is like Sven Ottke, getting gift decisions all the time. He is more overrated than Floyd and Manny combined, and that is quite a difficult accomplishment. Let's look at his "notable" career starting with Chavez because prior to that point he fought nobodies. He is not a top 55 pound for pound fighter, never could be, and that might be giving Oscar too much credit.

1) Chavez - Chavez es cómo Oscar - sobrevalorado, Chavez peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Chavez best wins are Haugen, Camacho, and 2 wins over Meldrick Taylor with one being a huge stroke of luck due to help from Richard Steele. Chavez could have been 200-0 but it does nothing to change the fact that he beat up taxi drivers throughout his career and has a padded record. Like Oscar, Chavez is more name value and myth than substance. Also, Chavez was way past his best having already been whipped by Pernell and Norwood. By the time he fought Oscar he was even worse than he was in his prime.

2) Pernell Whitaker - Pernell crushed Oscar easy - despite having a point taken away - but the judges were blind. Oscar threw flurries at the end of the rounds to confuse the judges and make it seem like he was landing shots when Pernell was not touched at all. Pernell's jab landed more often than any of Oscar's flurries. Unfortunately for Pernell, because his defense was so good the judges overvalued the few times he did get hit - and those were very FEW times. Oscar got a gift decision and this is not a legit win. Considering that Pernell was near the end and Oscar in his prime that makes it worse. Just like when fat 38 year old past his prime Lennox dismantled the overrated bum Vitali in his prime.

3) Hector Camacho - Camacho es cómo Chavez, el peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Camacho never had a notable win. Beating a washed up Duran and a Ray Leonard coming off a 6 year hiatus is not notable. Got whipped by Greg Haugen and the fact that Camacho won the rematch isn't impressive because Haugen wasn't good to begin with.

4) Ike Quartey - who did Quartey beat that made him such a great boxer? Not Vince Phillips - his best win.

5) Felix Trinidad - it's not only important for someone to win a fight. What matters is how you win. And how did Oscar win the fight? By literally running away for the last 3 rounds. Good thing that Oscar got a taste of his own medicine and got robbed by the judges. For once the judges make Oscar pay for the gifts he received in his career. If you think that an all time great fighter is someone who literally runs away for 3 rounds in a championship fight then you are delusional. Mucho respeto a Tito porque el nunca peleó en una manera con falta de respeto por boxeo - como la suciedad que se llama Oscar.

6) Shane Mosley - Shane put 2 whippings on De La Hoya. Just like with Whitaker, when Oscar fights the cream of the crop he falls short (with the one exception of Trinidad - in which he didn't fight like a true champion). Even if the second fight was close, Oscar didn't convincingly win it.

7) Arturo Gatti - Gatti has a great chin and that's about it. Outside of his exciting fights with Ward - a C level fighter - there is nothing notable about Gatti's career. Beating a C level fighter like Gatti doesn't make you elite.

8) Fernando Vargas - Fernando es basura cómo Oscar. Yo reía cuando él perdía. Fernando's biggest claim to fame is beating an inexperienced Winky Wright. Whoop de doo another C level fighter that Oscar beat. But it makes sense for Oscar to fight Vargas because Oscar has never beaten top level boxers without running away for 3 rounds.

9) Ramon Campas - never beat anyone. Another can for Oscar

10) Felix Sturm - wow Oscar got gifted a decision that he shouldn't have. What a surprise.

11) Bernard Hopkins - unlike Floyd Oscar and Manny, Bernard is an all time great fighter. And it showed when Bernard crushed Oscar's liver. Would have been even more enjoyable if the liver shot was as good as RJJ vs Virgil Hill. I don't care if Bernard is bigger. Did size stop Roberto Duran from moving up 2 classes and handing Ray Leonard his first loss? Skills pay the bills - not weight.

12) Ricardo Mayorga - Miguel Cotto lo dijo en la manera mejor. "Después de la pelea de la sorpresa de Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga murío." Mayorga had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Forrest. That's it. This would not be a notable win on an all time great fighter's resume, but because Oscar's record is so weak it stands out more than it should.

13) Floyd Mayweather - two overrated fighters going at it. Floyd clearly won the fight but - what a surprise - one judge was stupid enough to give Oscar the win. Thank God there were two competent judges or Oscar would be given a third gift decision.

14) Manny Pacquiao - two overrated fighters going at it once again. And Oscar got exposed as the more overrated one.

And there you have it. Oscar De La Basura. Despite winning 10 paper titles in 6 weight classes, Oscar has proven that that is simply due to the fact that he is the beneficiary of an era where there are four belts per class and paper champions galore. No wonder he won so many titles in so many classes - all the paper champions he won them from were bums. Oscar es un hombre y campeon falso. Nunca sería con los cincuento boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra. Oscar es un hombre falso y un campeon falso. Nunca sería uno de los cincuenta boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra y nunca podría ser. Es un pocho de basura y suciedad.

I know certain people who are sheep following the herd behind Oscar have prepared fallacious arguments to defend him, so I will dismantle those arguments right away

1) Oscar rightfully beat Pernell and got robbed vs Mosley and Trinidad - Regarding Pernell, if you believe Oscar won then you don't know how to judge. Regarding Shane - a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then and one win over Shane Mosley after previously losing to him doesnt up your stock much. Regarding Tito - Oscar ran away for 3 rounds. That's not something a true p4p great would do. Don't forget that Sturm also whipped Oscar

2) Oscar has 10 titles in 6 classes - so what? There are 4 titles per class so being a champion doesn't hold much value. Looking at the gift decisions he got and the weak opposition he legitimately beat, that's not impressive. It doesn't matter if he has 20 belts in 20 classes - if he fought bums and paper champs it holds little value.

3) Well Oscar fought the best so even if he lost he is one of the best - No. Canelo Alvarez fought the best in Floyd Mayweather - does that make him one of the best? No. It's not impressive to fight the best if you keep losing - in the sense that Oscar is not a top level boxer.

What has been written is IRREFUTABLE UNDENIABLE INDISPUTABLE UNCONTESTABLE NONSUBJECTIVE UNQUESTIONABLE FLAWLESS FACT (not opinion or conjecture in the slightest). If anyone can disprove this magnanimous insight of my wisdom, I will respond and acknowledge my mistake. Unfortunately, no competent human being can deny the undeniable, and therefore there is no chance of disproving the facts stated above. By extension - the chances of receiving my response are negligible.
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vast · Feb 27, 2014

looks like OScar has mascara on...?

At least Marcos will get a big payday. He does deserve it!

Lady Girl · Feb 27, 2014

Bald_Toad said: ↑

oscar always says these golden boy tomato cans will give mayweather trouble
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ElCyclon · Feb 27, 2014

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on paper...
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back to topic: People getting mad at the promoter for trying to promote the fight

TheVrominator · Feb 27, 2014

Oscar's a used car salesman trying to sell a jalopy........ but it's his job.

I Know Everythi · Feb 27, 2014

Paper champion like Oscar would know what looks good ON PAPER

Lady Girl · Feb 27, 2014

I Know Everythi said: ↑

Oscar is one of the most overrated boxers, no, one of the most overrated athletes in the history of sports. Oscar was exposed and showed up every time he fought top level competition - and still got many gifts in the process. Oscar is like Sven Ottke, getting gift decisions all the time. He is more overrated than Floyd and Manny combined, and that is quite a difficult accomplishment. Let's look at his "notable" career starting with Chavez because prior to that point he fought nobodies. He is not a top 55 pound for pound fighter, never could be, and that might be giving Oscar too much credit.

1) Chavez - Chavez es cómo Oscar - sobrevalorado, Chavez peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Chavez best wins are Haugen, Camacho, and 2 wins over Meldrick Taylor with one being a huge stroke of luck due to help from Richard Steele. Chavez could have been 200-0 but it does nothing to change the fact that he beat up taxi drivers throughout his career and has a padded record. Like Oscar, Chavez is more name value and myth than substance. Also, Chavez was way past his best having already been whipped by Pernell and Norwood. By the time he fought Oscar he was even worse than he was in his prime.

2) Pernell Whitaker - Pernell crushed Oscar easy - despite having a point taken away - but the judges were blind. Oscar threw flurries at the end of the rounds to confuse the judges and make it seem like he was landing shots when Pernell was not touched at all. Pernell's jab landed more often than any of Oscar's flurries. Unfortunately for Pernell, because his defense was so good the judges overvalued the few times he did get hit - and those were very FEW times. Oscar got a gift decision and this is not a legit win. Considering that Pernell was near the end and Oscar in his prime that makes it worse. Just like when fat 38 year old past his prime Lennox dismantled the overrated bum Vitali in his prime.

3) Hector Camacho - Camacho es cómo Chavez, el peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Camacho never had a notable win. Beating a washed up Duran and a Ray Leonard coming off a 6 year hiatus is not notable. Got whipped by Greg Haugen and the fact that Camacho won the rematch isn't impressive because Haugen wasn't good to begin with.

4) Ike Quartey - who did Quartey beat that made him such a great boxer? Not Vince Phillips - his best win.

5) Felix Trinidad - it's not only important for someone to win a fight. What matters is how you win. And how did Oscar win the fight? By literally running away for the last 3 rounds. Good thing that Oscar got a taste of his own medicine and got robbed by the judges. For once the judges make Oscar pay for the gifts he received in his career. If you think that an all time great fighter is someone who literally runs away for 3 rounds in a championship fight then you are delusional. Mucho respeto a Tito porque el nunca peleó en una manera con falta de respeto por boxeo - como la suciedad que se llama Oscar.

6) Shane Mosley - Shane put 2 whippings on De La Hoya. Just like with Whitaker, when Oscar fights the cream of the crop he falls short (with the one exception of Trinidad - in which he didn't fight like a true champion). Even if the second fight was close, Oscar didn't convincingly win it.

7) Arturo Gatti - Gatti has a great chin and that's about it. Outside of his exciting fights with Ward - a C level fighter - there is nothing notable about Gatti's career. Beating a C level fighter like Gatti doesn't make you elite.

8) Fernando Vargas - Fernando es basura cómo Oscar. Yo reía cuando él perdía. Fernando's biggest claim to fame is beating an inexperienced Winky Wright. Whoop de doo another C level fighter that Oscar beat. But it makes sense for Oscar to fight Vargas because Oscar has never beaten top level boxers without running away for 3 rounds.

9) Ramon Campas - never beat anyone. Another can for Oscar

10) Felix Sturm - wow Oscar got gifted a decision that he shouldn't have. What a surprise.

11) Bernard Hopkins - unlike Floyd Oscar and Manny, Bernard is an all time great fighter. And it showed when Bernard crushed Oscar's liver. Would have been even more enjoyable if the liver shot was as good as RJJ vs Virgil Hill. I don't care if Bernard is bigger. Did size stop Roberto Duran from moving up 2 classes and handing Ray Leonard his first loss? Skills pay the bills - not weight.

12) Ricardo Mayorga - Miguel Cotto lo dijo en la manera mejor. "Después de la pelea de la sorpresa de Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga murío." Mayorga had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Forrest. That's it. This would not be a notable win on an all time great fighter's resume, but because Oscar's record is so weak it stands out more than it should.

13) Floyd Mayweather - two overrated fighters going at it. Floyd clearly won the fight but - what a surprise - one judge was stupid enough to give Oscar the win. Thank God there were two competent judges or Oscar would be given a third gift decision.

14) Manny Pacquiao - two overrated fighters going at it once again. And Oscar got exposed as the more overrated one.

And there you have it. Oscar De La Basura. Despite winning 10 paper titles in 6 weight classes, Oscar has proven that that is simply due to the fact that he is the beneficiary of an era where there are four belts per class and paper champions galore. No wonder he won so many titles in so many classes - all the paper champions he won them from were bums. Oscar es un hombre y campeon falso. Nunca sería con los cincuento boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra. Oscar es un hombre falso y un campeon falso. Nunca sería uno de los cincuenta boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra y nunca podría ser. Es un pocho de basura y suciedad.

I know certain people who are sheep following the herd behind Oscar have prepared fallacious arguments to defend him, so I will dismantle those arguments right away

1) Oscar rightfully beat Pernell and got robbed vs Mosley and Trinidad - Regarding Pernell, if you believe Oscar won then you don't know how to judge. Regarding Shane - a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then and one win over Shane Mosley after previously losing to him doesnt up your stock much. Regarding Tito - Oscar ran away for 3 rounds. That's not something a true p4p great would do. Don't forget that Sturm also whipped Oscar

2) Oscar has 10 titles in 6 classes - so what? There are 4 titles per class so being a champion doesn't hold much value. Looking at the gift decisions he got and the weak opposition he legitimately beat, that's not impressive. It doesn't matter if he has 20 belts in 20 classes - if he fought bums and paper champs it holds little value.

3) Well Oscar fought the best so even if he lost he is one of the best - No. Canelo Alvarez fought the best in Floyd Mayweather - does that make him one of the best? No. It's not impressive to fight the best if you keep losing - in the sense that Oscar is not a top level boxer.

What has been written is IRREFUTABLE UNDENIABLE INDISPUTABLE UNCONTESTABLE NONSUBJECTIVE UNQUESTIONABLE FLAWLESS FACT (not opinion or conjecture in the slightest). If anyone can disprove this magnanimous insight of my wisdom, I will respond and acknowledge my mistake. Unfortunately, no competent human being can deny the undeniable, and therefore there is no chance of disproving the facts stated above. By extension - the chances of receiving my response are negligible.
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puncherschance · Feb 27, 2014

I Know Everythi said: ↑

Oscar is one of the most overrated boxers, no, one of the most overrated athletes in the history of sports. Oscar was exposed and showed up every time he fought top level competition - and still got many gifts in the process. Oscar is like Sven Ottke, getting gift decisions all the time. He is more overrated than Floyd and Manny combined, and that is quite a difficult accomplishment. Let's look at his "notable" career starting with Chavez because prior to that point he fought nobodies. He is not a top 55 pound for pound fighter, never could be, and that might be giving Oscar too much credit.

1) Chavez - Chavez es cómo Oscar - sobrevalorado, Chavez peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Chavez best wins are Haugen, Camacho, and 2 wins over Meldrick Taylor with one being a huge stroke of luck due to help from Richard Steele. Chavez could have been 200-0 but it does nothing to change the fact that he beat up taxi drivers throughout his career and has a padded record. Like Oscar, Chavez is more name value and myth than substance. Also, Chavez was way past his best having already been whipped by Pernell and Norwood. By the time he fought Oscar he was even worse than he was in his prime.

2) Pernell Whitaker - Pernell crushed Oscar easy - despite having a point taken away - but the judges were blind. Oscar threw flurries at the end of the rounds to confuse the judges and make it seem like he was landing shots when Pernell was not touched at all. Pernell's jab landed more often than any of Oscar's flurries. Unfortunately for Pernell, because his defense was so good the judges overvalued the few times he did get hit - and those were very FEW times. Oscar got a gift decision and this is not a legit win. Considering that Pernell was near the end and Oscar in his prime that makes it worse. Just like when fat 38 year old past his prime Lennox dismantled the overrated bum Vitali in his prime.

3) Hector Camacho - Camacho es cómo Chavez, el peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Camacho never had a notable win. Beating a washed up Duran and a Ray Leonard coming off a 6 year hiatus is not notable. Got whipped by Greg Haugen and the fact that Camacho won the rematch isn't impressive because Haugen wasn't good to begin with.

4) Ike Quartey - who did Quartey beat that made him such a great boxer? Not Vince Phillips - his best win.

5) Felix Trinidad - it's not only important for someone to win a fight. What matters is how you win. And how did Oscar win the fight? By literally running away for the last 3 rounds. Good thing that Oscar got a taste of his own medicine and got robbed by the judges. For once the judges make Oscar pay for the gifts he received in his career. If you think that an all time great fighter is someone who literally runs away for 3 rounds in a championship fight then you are delusional. Mucho respeto a Tito porque el nunca peleó en una manera con falta de respeto por boxeo - como la suciedad que se llama Oscar.

6) Shane Mosley - Shane put 2 whippings on De La Hoya. Just like with Whitaker, when Oscar fights the cream of the crop he falls short (with the one exception of Trinidad - in which he didn't fight like a true champion). Even if the second fight was close, Oscar didn't convincingly win it.

7) Arturo Gatti - Gatti has a great chin and that's about it. Outside of his exciting fights with Ward - a C level fighter - there is nothing notable about Gatti's career. Beating a C level fighter like Gatti doesn't make you elite.

8) Fernando Vargas - Fernando es basura cómo Oscar. Yo reía cuando él perdía. Fernando's biggest claim to fame is beating an inexperienced Winky Wright. Whoop de doo another C level fighter that Oscar beat. But it makes sense for Oscar to fight Vargas because Oscar has never beaten top level boxers without running away for 3 rounds.

9) Ramon Campas - never beat anyone. Another can for Oscar

10) Felix Sturm - wow Oscar got gifted a decision that he shouldn't have. What a surprise.

11) Bernard Hopkins - unlike Floyd Oscar and Manny, Bernard is an all time great fighter. And it showed when Bernard crushed Oscar's liver. Would have been even more enjoyable if the liver shot was as good as RJJ vs Virgil Hill. I don't care if Bernard is bigger. Did size stop Roberto Duran from moving up 2 classes and handing Ray Leonard his first loss? Skills pay the bills - not weight.

12) Ricardo Mayorga - Miguel Cotto lo dijo en la manera mejor. "Después de la pelea de la sorpresa de Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga murío." Mayorga had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Forrest. That's it. This would not be a notable win on an all time great fighter's resume, but because Oscar's record is so weak it stands out more than it should.

13) Floyd Mayweather - two overrated fighters going at it. Floyd clearly won the fight but - what a surprise - one judge was stupid enough to give Oscar the win. Thank God there were two competent judges or Oscar would be given a third gift decision.

14) Manny Pacquiao - two overrated fighters going at it once again. And Oscar got exposed as the more overrated one.

And there you have it. Oscar De La Basura. Despite winning 10 paper titles in 6 weight classes, Oscar has proven that that is simply due to the fact that he is the beneficiary of an era where there are four belts per class and paper champions galore. No wonder he won so many titles in so many classes - all the paper champions he won them from were bums. Oscar es un hombre y campeon falso. Nunca sería con los cincuento boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra. Oscar es un hombre falso y un campeon falso. Nunca sería uno de los cincuenta boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra y nunca podría ser. Es un pocho de basura y suciedad.

I know certain people who are sheep following the herd behind Oscar have prepared fallacious arguments to defend him, so I will dismantle those arguments right away

1) Oscar rightfully beat Pernell and got robbed vs Mosley and Trinidad - Regarding Pernell, if you believe Oscar won then you don't know how to judge. Regarding Shane - a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then and one win over Shane Mosley after previously losing to him doesnt up your stock much. Regarding Tito - Oscar ran away for 3 rounds. That's not something a true p4p great would do. Don't forget that Sturm also whipped Oscar

2) Oscar has 10 titles in 6 classes - so what? There are 4 titles per class so being a champion doesn't hold much value. Looking at the gift decisions he got and the weak opposition he legitimately beat, that's not impressive. It doesn't matter if he has 20 belts in 20 classes - if he fought bums and paper champs it holds little value.

3) Well Oscar fought the best so even if he lost he is one of the best - No. Canelo Alvarez fought the best in Floyd Mayweather - does that make him one of the best? No. It's not impressive to fight the best if you keep losing - in the sense that Oscar is not a top level boxer.

What has been written is IRREFUTABLE UNDENIABLE INDISPUTABLE UNCONTESTABLE NONSUBJECTIVE UNQUESTIONABLE FLAWLESS FACT (not opinion or conjecture in the slightest). If anyone can disprove this magnanimous insight of my wisdom, I will respond and acknowledge my mistake. Unfortunately, no competent human being can deny the undeniable, and therefore there is no chance of disproving the facts stated above. By extension - the chances of receiving my response are negligible.
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oscar won a gold medal, oscar deserved the victory over pernell, oscar won the fight against tito, watched the fight over and over again and i still have oscar winning by at least 1 round. oscar won the second mosely fight but was robbed, plus mosely was on roids. most of his losses were at weights he didn't even belong fighting in and or he was messed up on drugs, but in his prime oscar was a great fighter who had the balls to take on all challengers.

Manfred · Feb 27, 2014

Maidana beats every welter at Top Rank .

Farmboxer · Feb 27, 2014

Oscar was the only boxer who won gold for America back in 1992. Oscar did beat Tito, he outboxed Tito, but Don King's judges, two of them were there to help Tito. Oscar beat Mosley, no doubt, and Mosley was on roids..........Oscar beat Void, but lost by split decision, but he knocked Void's head back over and over again...........

However, I am extremely disappointed with Oscar as a promoter, it so appears as if Oscar is as crooked as Arum, Don King and the rest of the slime promoters.................I want to see the best fight the best..............

divac · Feb 27, 2014

The Masked Man said: ↑

Maidana will be hyped by Mayweather fans into thinking Maidana is a real opponent. Nevermind wats on paper
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:yep Pretty much its whats going on. Mayweather fans are the one's hyping Maidana to make it look like Mayweather is fighting a real opponent.

Maidana=Made to order for Floyd Mayweather.

Farmboxer · Feb 27, 2014

Maidana has improved with his new trainer, but he will have to fight Void, the referee, judges, boxing commission, etc., an up hill battle.............I could agree with Oscar to a small extent, but I think Khan would been a bigger threat to Void, which is the reason he picked Maidana against his own poll................

Barrera · Feb 28, 2014

puncherschance said: ↑

oscar won a gold medal, oscar deserved the victory over pernell, oscar won the fight against tito, watched the fight over and over again and i still have oscar winning by at least 1 round. oscar won the second mosely fight but was robbed, plus mosely was on roids. most of his losses were at weights he didn't even belong fighting in and or he was messed up on drugs, but in his prime oscar was a great fighter who had the balls to take on all challengers.
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his resume alone makes him an ATG not including his wins or his gold medal and the fact he was a HUGE ppv star and did great things for boxing.

Scar · Feb 28, 2014

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I think Thurman would be alot more dangerous than Maidana given his ability to move around the ring. I also feel Khan would of put on a more competitive fight than Maidana. But who knows, though from exp. Floyd has always done best with these type of slow, wide swinging fighters.
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Thurman would be dangerous for anyone but it's still too early for him to cash out against Mayweather.

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