De La Hoya: "Pacquiao Doesn't Hit Hard"

Do we both agree that the best ever Manny Pacquiao is the one fighting today?

 

Sounds like the fix was in for this fight.

 

I'd say Pac's prime is from early 2001 to late 2003, when he was at his physical peak, and then from mid 2006 to mid 2008, when he is now at his technical peak. However I think that at Welterweight and JrWelterweight Pac is giving up too much size to his opponents for those to be considered his prime weights. He is still as good as he was before, but his p4p level is dropping as his weight is increasing.

 

Agreed. The only thing going for Pacquiao is that the fighters he has been fighting above 130lb haven't been good enough to to take advantage of it.

 

How can anyone call this an excuse??? He is being honest, what the ****? And look at the fight, Pac was hitting him at will and the shots weren't THAT powerful. Either he's lying about the strength of Pacs shots, or he is the toughest man alive. You guys chose.

 

Because they think it discredits Pacquiao, and NOBODY dare saying even remotely critical about King Pacquiao.

It's lame anybody calling this an excuse. Oscar was badly beaten, he does not dispute that, but Oscar has fought harder hitters than Manny. Hopkins, Quartey, and Gatti included. Manny is a 130lb fighter at his best remember guys.

 

let's just see what happens in the hatton fight. if it's true that pac doesn't hit hard above 130, then hatton should have no probs walking through them, going to the inside and landing those vicious body shots of his. hatton should therefore handily win this fight if what dlh says is true.

 

If there is any truth in what was posted here that DLH did hit 147lbs two weeks prior fight night, then I'm inclined to say that it was all deliberate that he came in that weight.

You can't really balloon back overnight if your body has settled in the weight where you have been training at for 2 weeks.

 

Manny doesn't hit as hard in WW, obviously...

but hard enough to make that ***** quit.

 

basically you are agreeing Pac is good enough that he can give up most of his physical advantages and it would still take the very best of the higher divisions to even give him a fight.

 

Almost. I think it would still take the very best of the higher divisions to beat him.

 

I agree....and DLH has always had questionable stamina as well. For the most part gaining over 10 pounds after weigh in most believe short cuts were taken in training camp. meaning you shed the weight in the im-proper way. Bhop is only putting on at most 6 ir 7 pounds and most of the time less than that. His weight has never flucuated and his conditioning has NEVER been a problem. As your example of Floyd.

This is why its a key indicator of who has properly trained and who is in the right kind of condition come fight night when a fighter doesn't balloon up. Which is why I though DLH was in PRIME shape/condition with his fight with PAC. DLH did what many thought he could never do....and that was to make 147! He did so very comfortably! You could read that one of two ways...negitive or postitive. Its easy to look at it in a negitive light only b/c of the outcome and how severe it was.

You can also look at how different the team and atmosphere was in this fight. It was deliberate in making the weight in this manner...thats what the plan was. To get the most out of DLH and for him to stay on weight and loose the weight properly. To many it seemed to affect him in the worse way and the fight would seemingly suggest that. But unfortunately that is all speculation b/c no one truly knows it that was all due to PAC or a combination of PAC and DLHs conditioning methods for this fight.

 

Hahaha REALLY ! come on OSCAR, REALLY !?

 

Like I said, everyone does it different......fighters like DLH, Gatti, Castillo, Corrales, Hatton, etc.....have always gained significant weight after officially weighing in, and have been sucessful.

......everyone of those guys fight in a style where they depend on having a physical weight advantage to succeed.....can you imagine JL Castillo not having gained poundage after he weighed in vs Mayweather?
It would never have been a contest.

Manny Pacquiao is a fighter as well who has gained significant lbs after officially weighing in.....he'd climb the ring weighing close to 140 lbs for his featherweight fights, and above the 140 lbs level for his juniorlightweight fights.

Pac is a fighter that has taken advantage of having a day before weighin.......that advantage however dissapates the higher in weight he tries to fight in.

Btw, even Hopkins in his middleweight days gained some poundage afterward, but he's fighting as a lightheavyweight now, naturally he's not going to add poundage in the same ratio he did as a middleweight where he had to cut weight to make the limit.

 

Prime weight maybe, but definitely not prime condition.

There's a good argument that Oscar was already slightly past prime fighting Nando in '02.