De La Hoya picks Cotto, dismisses Pacquaio's power

I don't agree it was for a pay day. Oscar is FILTHY rich, he didn't need that pay day -- not one bit. There was personal issues involved with Roach and Pac that motivated him.

 

I think Oscar was gassed as much as he was hurt. Think about it: oscar can win every round and barely take a punch and start gassing after 6 rounds. So, getting beaten up through 8 rounds couldn't help this situation out at all.

 

I don't agree with your statement about Oscar's stamina. OK, so he was no Aaron Pryor, but he fought like a demon over 12 rounds many times, and often had big 12 rounds in him (Quartey for example).

You yourself posted a video showing Oscar landing his most solid punches at the end of the 8th. How exactly does that prove that Oscar was so exhausted that he had to quit?? You're clutching at straws now mate.

 

I don't know. I think that was possibly Oscar giving it one last shot before quitting. That was certainly not a 100% Oscar in the ring that night. He was a punch bag all night and frankly I just hope he stays retired.

 

Going by his track record, the proof is in the pudding on Oscar getting exhuasted. The Quartey fight you mentioned was over 10 years ago. Add to the fact Pac was landing everything he threw at oscar didn't help this cause. Don't get me wrong, Oscar was hurt, but he was gassing out. The combination isn't exactly fun. Could have Oscar continued. I think so, for atleast 2 more rounds. I don't think he would have went down, but he was taking a lot of punishment and the ref would've stopped it.

 

He wobbled at the end of round 7. Wince? His face looked like he was being raped by a demon warlord. He was terrified and in obvious distress.

Seriously? Mate - seriously?? This makes it onto the list??

If you were a lightmiddleweight who was expected to win, and you got ****ing humiliated by a former flyweight who had ditched your promotions company and lost you millions of dollars, would you be "bigging him up", or would you be bitter about it and embarrassed about the nature of the defeat?

Oscar's comments about Pac now are toilet roll, arsewipeworthy. He has no reason at all to shower Pac with compliments, but many reasons to play him down.

Aside from this, it is never a good idea to attribute much importance to things that people in the fight game say, never.

You seem to think that unless someone stumbles around like a drunk from one single, identifiable punch, that they cannot be hurt. Pacquiao up at welterweight is not Shane Mosley, obviously, but I say again, if Paulie Malignaggi or Sergio Mora had been peppering Oscar with punches and shutting him out, he would have clung on to the final bell and avoided the indignity of being stopped. The reason he quit is because he was hurt. Accummulation can hurt as much or more than a single shot - but you can't even muster accummulation pain if you punch like Malignaggi or Mora. I say again - Oscar would not have quit if he was not hurt by Pac's punches.

True. This is why Pacquiao was unable to drop him, as Mosley, Trinidad, Mayweather et al were unable to drop him. But Oscar was clearly hurt. Fighters can be in agony but still have the resilience to stay up. There are countless examples of it, as I'm sure you are well aware.

 

I think Oscar is a sincere guy and would admit if he was hurt by any one punch. It makes no sense to me for Oscar, Hatton's promoter, to tell his fighter that Manny doesn't hit hard if he didn't believe it to be true. If he was hurt by Manny's punches, why would he send his fighter out thinking he could walk through everything? ...Doesn't make business sense.

I don't think Oscar has been bitter about the victory either. I think he's being genuine when he says Manny didn't hurt him with any one punch, but the embarrassment factor sure would explain him bowing out prematurely.

I'm guessing you've watched Camacho vs Sugar Ray Leonard?

I think being peppered by Boxing gloves that often is always going to hurt, whether it be Pacquiao or Mora. Goes without saying. But in Boxing, at least I thought, we used the word "hurt" to describe someone being visibly hurt in the ring. When a commentator shouts, "he's hurt!" it's usually after a fighter has wobbled, winced, or backed up. I think Oscar was uncomfortable in there, and it goes without saying that being punched repeatedly is going to hurt, but do I believe Pacquiao ever really "hurt" Oscar? No.


There's only one person who truly knows whether or not he was hurt

 

the thing about pac is that, he probably isnt a one-punch ko guy at ww but its the amount of punches he lands that really do the damage. and cotto has been hurt plenty of times before.

 

I think it is very, very naive to give any credence to anything that a beaten fighter and shrewd promoter says in front of a camera or microphone. I discount such remarks entirely, always, and make my own mind up, because 99 times out of 100 the beaten fighter bullishly maintains he was not hurt when it's patently obvious he was in agony.

Oscar did not almost hit the canvas from one particular shot, but he was clearly hurt by Pacquiao's punches IMO.

Still, this is not a topic interesting enough to dwell on, I'm sure you'd agree. This is more relevant: Pac stopped Oscar, and he will stop Cotto.

 

Thread could have ended right here. :rofl

 

You're an intelligent human being, Popkins, but not even you can predict the future.

 

Check out Oscars swollen face from Forbes. Both eyes were swelling and right eye was pretty bad. Just because Oscars eye was bruised doesn't mean he was seriously hurt people.

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Very true.

However, his eye being shut, his being completely unable to throw back, his holding on to the rope to keep his balance, and the pummelling he took in his own corner (right in front of his wife) all tell me he wasn't feeling too great about life in there.

 

..... SOME STUPID fans wants them to hear ODLH say...

I quit coz PAC punches so hard! :rofl

I really don't recall any boxer saying I QUIT COZ HE PUNCHES hard!!!

DO you?! If yes, link PLS...