De La Hoya v Mayweather Jr

De La Hoya slightly edges it, based on comp level.

 

Mayweather's career isn't finished.

 

Floyd for me, Oscar has the better names and competition, Floyd more consistent and has some solid wins on there.

They're in the same bracket for me though, 80-90.

 

compare guys like prime Ike quartey, prime mosely,fernando vargas, pernell whitaker, bernard hopkins, trinidad, oba carr, to everyone floyd fought between 2002-to now its a no contest

 

He gets credit for guys he was knocked out by? Yes he has better competition but that's not the question.

 

P4P there's really not much in it. They're interchangeable. However right now, as we stand, Oscar has to slightly rank higher IMHO. Because he just did more.

Floyd was brillient in the lower weights, but it doesn't overtake Oscar's body of work and a who's who of his era on his record. Especially when you consider not just who he fought, but WHEN he fought them.

People unfairly go on about De La Hoya 'losing all his big fights' too. The only big ones he lost were the Shane first fight (which he avenged), Hopkins who was the bigger opponent and Pacquiao when he was faded.

As Scott says though, Floyd has time to overtake him.

 

Trinidad? Or do you consider it as a win (which I do, incidentally). I see an argument for Mosley winning the rematch. He also lost to Mayweather fairly clearly despite winning on a bogus card.

 

He clearly beat Trinidad and Shane in the rematch. Put on clinics in both those fights and was jobbed.

Forgot to add Mayweather. He lost by at least 4 rounds in that one. But he was a part time fighter by then.

The best Oscar was when he was at 140lbs. That Oscar would've given Floyd kittens. He moved up too soon though.

 

I had Oscar beating Tito 115-113, and I can't see another round in there for Tito AT ALL.

I had Oscar beating Shane with absolute ease in the rematch. Horrible robbery.

Sturm beat Oscar very clearly. Horrible robbery against a decent Middle.

 

For every black mark you raise against Oscar, there's one for Floyd too.

''Lost all his biggest fights''

vs

''Didn't fight any top welterweight in their prime''

or for every plus you give Floyd, there's one for Oscar

''42 have tried, 42 have failed''

vs

''fought everyone that mattered in every weight class, with only a couple of exceptions''

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Realistically there's not much to choose between them, if DLH had kept his nerve against Tito and got the W there'd be no dispute. But seeing as he fought the way he did in the later rounds it's a bit rich to start crying robbery.

Tito wouldn't have knocked him out in a million years, and Oscar ought to have known from the Whitaker fight that Vegas judges don't mind scoring for the fighter that's coming forward and missing as opposed to the one that's doing nothing.

*Not that Whitaker wasn't doing nothing, but at times he spent more time clowning than boxing.

 

Oscar, and I don't think it's even close.

He fought most of the best that he could of done and Floyd hasn't.

 

I really think the Tito fight was either terrible judging or outright corruption. You can make an obvious argument that Tito took the last three rounds. But then you need to find another four and I can only see two he conceivably won on boxing scoring criteria.

I’d need to watch it again to get my exact score, but 7-5 for Oscar is pretty accurate. He took almost all of the first six rounds. I think there was one I gave to Felix. Like I say, I’d need to rewatch it. Oscar definitely took another couple and should have been the winner.

He was tactical in the closing rounds. But looking at the judges scorecards, didn’t they have Tito taking a whole smattering of the early rounds?

 

Actually yes, now you mention it.

One of the judges had Trinidad winning three of the first four rounds, and I'm not sure if it's the same judge but one gave the 12th to DLH.

I might watch it again tonight with the sound down - that's the key in this fight I feel.

Listening to Lampley it would be relatively easy to score it 9-3 to Oscar.

 

Achievment its Oscar, ability its Floyd.

Floyd was/is the better boxer & has put in better performances but Oscar has achieved more & fought the better opposition.

Oscar has the better legacy imo but if Floyd carries on for a couple more years that may change.