De La Hoya vs Pacquiao who wins Legacy wise?

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  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I love when we compare resumes, ODLH is still better, even if you want to remove Trinidad and Mosley. Even though Mosley was on roids.
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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  2. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Based on what?? Chavez was oloder than Morales and both never won another meaningful fight after the the Pac and DLH fights.

    And why should we remove the JMM and the Hussein fights? last time i checked Pac drew with JMM in the first fight and beat him in the second and he stopped Hussein while DLH lost to tito and Mosley,im not making this **** up its on they're actual records.
     
    bladerunner, Jun 26, 2009
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  3. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    you were talking about the Whitaker fight so I brought up the JMM fight. Both close, both arguably contreversial.
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Chavez was very game before and after there first encounter.

    Morales was shot. Had lost to past prime Barrera, beat Pac, lost to journey man Raheem, lost to Pac two times, lost to david Diaz, a C, B level fighter at best.
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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  5. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    WHitaker,Mosley II,Quartey,Sturm,Tito were all controversial,you keep mentioning that Pac only beats old fighters but you seem to forget that DLH has never clearly beat a great fighter that was in is prime.

    DLH has fought everyone theres no denying that but he also lost most of his biggest fights.
     
    bladerunner, Jun 26, 2009
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  6. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Game my ass you've probably watched a diferent fight either that or you never saw Chavez fight in his prime.

    the second Morales-Pac fight was going the same direction as the first one the biggest diference was Pac's bodywork and improved right hand,Morales certainly put on a better fight than Chavez did.
     
    bladerunner, Jun 26, 2009
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  7. AdiC

    AdiC Chillin' Like A Villain Full Member

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    hahaha... its only UliUli... thats how he is, A JOKE!:nut
     
    AdiC, Jun 26, 2009
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  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I'd like to know what GREAT fighter Pac beat in their prime??

    Had Pac fought whitaker, chavez, Quartey, Tito, in the condition that ODLH fought them, highly doubt Pac would be even talked about today.

    So again,

    Whitaker-Chavez < Barrera-Morales

    That leaves:
    PAC:
    JMM
    Diaz
    Hatton
    ODLH (shot)

    DLH:
    Vargas
    Quartey
    Mayorga
    Castillejo
    Gonzalez
    Hernandez
    Ruelas
    Leija
    Molina
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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  9. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    You forgot to put Larios,Sasakul,Ledwaba in there those guys are as good or better than Castillejo,Ruelas,Molina,Leija and Gonzalez.

    that being said DLH has the better resume so far theres no denying that but not by much and Pac is still going strong a win against Cotto next seals it for him.
     
    bladerunner, Jun 26, 2009
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  10. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ODLH and PAC are equally good or great! ODLH made boxing more interesting and popular because of him.

    If you look at over-all performance if you talk about legacy.

    The problem with ODLH legacy is his big fights. He lost a lot of big fights in his career

    PAC
    PBF
    HOPKINS
    MOSLEY 2X's
    FELIX TRINIDAD
     
    Silvermags, Jun 26, 2009
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  11. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I can't believe you really think he lost to Trinidad, and the 2nd Mosley fight most felt ODLH won, but even if you didn't Mosley cheated because he was on Roids.

    For the
    PBF
    Pac fights he was past his prime. They were Mega-Events, but he was past his prime. So how can it count against him that much? It's like saying Tszyu is better than Chavez cus he beat him, or like saying that Hector Camacho is a better fighter than SRL because he beat him. ODLH, SRL and Chavez were clearly past their prime.

    SO yes, DLH-PBF and Pac-ODLH were huge EVENTS, but it shouldn't tarnish his legacy because clearly he was past his best.

    It's like saying Pac's legacy is tarnished because he lost to a couple of bums and a shot MOrales.
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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  12. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Look uliuli, I know you love some DLH and **** but he will never be the boxer Pacquiao was. His legacy isnt even that great. yes hes the only one to win in 6 weight classes but thats about it. Lost almost all his big fights, I just dont see how you got DLH over Pac?? how??
     
    buckdacious, Jun 26, 2009
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  13. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude,

    Don't look at any official records anymore coz if you DON'T LIKE the RESULTS. X boxer was robbed!

    I'm not taking anything from ODLH like I said he's a great boxer and promoter but too bad! He lost to a number of big fights.

    DAMN! I'm afraid that if PBF wins by UD OR SD you'll call it ROBBED again! I'm sure you can't accept that! By the way, you and Divac are the same in that sense. If you don't like the results your boxer has been robbed!
     
    Silvermags, Jun 26, 2009
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  14. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Pac:
    MAB-EM

    ODLH:
    Chavez-Whitaker

    That alone beats Pac.

    Pac:
    MAB (past prime)
    EM (Shot)
    ODLH (shot)
    JMM
    Hatton
    Diaz
    Sasakul
    Ledwaba

    ODLH:
    Whiatker (past prime)
    Chavez (past prime)
    Camacho (past prime)
    Vargas
    Trinidad
    Gatti
    Castillejo
    Hernandez
    Ruelas
    Gonzalez
    Leija
    Paez

    Do the math
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    He lost fights because he was robbed, and because he was past his prime. The only fight he lost at his best weight and in his prime was vs Mosley I.

    If your going to include ODLH losses when he was past his prime and shot, then you have to include Pac's losses to those bums.
     
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
    IsaL, Jun 26, 2009
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