De la Hoya- would he be considered an ATG if he had retired after Mayorga?

what has that got to do with boxing ability

 

DLH is a great boxer, there has been only one fight in which he was dominated, you can disagree about this that and the other, but you are never that competative in BIG fights like Oscars fights if you have no boxing ability.

 

i certainly wouldn't claim him to be bad boxer but i just don't think what he did in the ring was atg top 50 material, around the 70-80's maybe but not a top string atg fighter.

 

Let's see your top 80 then.:good

 

answer my question before you respond to me in a thread, making th claims you do and not answering a basic question asked twice imo is ignorant.

 

Good lord... are you kidding? I have already stated that I don't even need to get into the argument about controversial fights. Why can't you people read, and move on? We are going to get absolutely nowhere if we sit here and give our opinions on controversial fights, because we can't change the history books. I don't even NEED Oscar's fights over Tito, or Mosley to prove Oscar's greatness. I did it by showing very simply what Oscar did before he even fought Tito in the first place. STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE DEBATE. Are we going to go through every ATG's controversial fights? Of course not... so let's put them all on a level playing ground.... or this entire thing is pointless. If you want to debate Oscar's controversial wins or losses, make a different thread about it. I have been in enough arguments on that issue on this board, and I honestly have no interest in doing it again.

Now.. since I already said I don't CARE about his controversial losses... I don't even need the Tito win, or the Mosley win, ect... We will simply go by what's in the books.

Now... I hope that makes things clear enough.


Moving forward.... please list Duran's great wins that throw him into the top 10 ATG's of all time. Please explain how he gets a pass for losing to all of the best fighters that he fought, outside of one win over Leonard, who quickly came back and proved who was the greater fighter in their next fight, embarrassing Duran in one of the most famous moments in boxing history as Duran flat out quit because SRL took his heart. Explain to me... outside of his one win over SRL, which he embarrasing lost the rematch... what are all of his great wins? What about his losses? How about something more than just a biased opinion acting like everyone who beat Duran was better than everyone who beat Oscar?:roll: Hilarious when he was beat by the likes of Kirkland Laing.

I would also love to see your top 80 ATG list... since you are so clear about where he belongs... you must know who belongs ahead of him... right? I haven't even said where I would rank him, and I haven't even thought about it honestly, because I think that ATG lists are rather pointless. A fighter is simply either an ATG or not, in my book... and ranking them in some order seems to be extremely outlandish to me. However... clearly by your posts, you do have your own ATG list, and I would love to see it. I don't see why you would be afraid to post it.

 

Erroneous.

This has zero to do with Oscar's all-time ranking as a fighter.

 

It obviously does. Oscar put himself into that position by becoming an ATG fighter before he even fought Trinidad.

 

You check out my unfinished top 70 yet Widdow?


Its in the classic forum..in a couple of bits.

 

Sorry, no I haven't seen it. I will check it out.:good Is it all located within one thread?

 

I believe he is. He had won 10 championship belts in 6 divisions, right?

 

Yeah in the "Working on My alltime list" thread...Im struggling with tail end of the top 100..Feel like Im leaving to many guys out.

 

No, the fact that other fighters gained marketability from fighting Oscar means zero in terms of Oscar's all-time ranking as a fighter. What you do in the ring = your all-time ranking as a fighter. Other variables that often hold weight are overall ability and perceived head to head ability. No, it is not down to a science and there it is a subjective endeavour to even rank people at all, but marketability does not factor in.

 

I think he is an ATG anyway. I think the performance v the world p4p#1 while he was clearly past-prime actually helped his legacy/reputation.

 

your the worst ducker since riddick bowe, don't make me call you chicken widow.