De La Hoya's opposition is savage!!!

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hernandez
    Chavez
    Whitaker
    Camacho
    Trinidad
    Mosley
    Vargas
    Sturm
    Hopkins
    Mayorga
    Mayweather
    Pacquiao

    All this in 45 fights. It's like he was trying to take a beating. Not all these guys were prime, but not a single one was shot when they faced Oscar.
     
  2. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You left off Quartey, which isn't surprising since you probably weren't following boxing back then. Whitaker was on his last legs and so was Chavez when they fought Oscar but there is no denying that Oscar was willing to fight just about anyone when the timing suited him.
     
  3. Godlovkin

    Godlovkin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    DLH always tried to fight the best

    he's the polar opposite of Floyd

    with his fame and popularity, the golden boy could have taken the path of least resistance and still get the big bucks, but no

    even on his last legs he was taking tough challenges
     
  4. Metal Man

    Metal Man Active Member Full Member

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    i have a lot of respect for De la hoya.Great fighter and with the whole golden boy thing and his huge popularity many will think of him as a silver spoon fighter[like Ray Leanard]but he had a few decisions go against him imo.I hought he beat Trinidad and both Mosely fights could have gone his way..De la hoya v Mosely 1 is one of the best fights you will ever see as you have 2 future atg's at their peak in the ring.
     
  5. PJ

    PJ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Possibly the best resume ever. ..

    And a gold medal to top it off.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's kind of funny that his reputation is that he was just spoiled pretty boy with money.

    He was a total badass.
     
  7. Sandokan32

    Sandokan32 Active Member Full Member

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    He´s the Leonardo Di Caprio of boxing. People hated him because of his pretty boy image, but when you look at his resume, it is impossible, truly impossible to deny his greatness.
     
  8. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    If he had won every fight, he could be argued as the GOAT.
     
  9. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Whitaker was pretty much shot against DLH, yet you can make a strong argument for Whitaker winning that fight IMO. by that point he was already on the slide, which can be seen in his fight with Hurtado.
     
  10. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OSCAR DE LA HOYA: THROUGH THE EYES OF A CYNIC
    By Michael Herron


    In the wake of Oscar De La Hoya’s retirement perhaps it is time for another look at his career, but this look will be from the eyes of a cynic. Oscar De La Hoya, the Golden Boy, multi-division champion and founder of Golden Boy Promotions: yes his name and contributions are synonymous with boxing but is it possible that he may be significantly overrated as a fighter? The argument in support of De La Hoya's "greatness" is generally his resume; supporters and fans often say "look who he has fought" pay attention to the phrase however, "look who he has fought" not “look who he has beat.” In the sport of boxing greatness has historically been based on who a fighter has beaten not who has beaten him. Fighters like Emmanuel Augustus has fought and lost to many great fighters as well, so has Jerry Quarry, Fernando Vargas, Ricardo Mayorga, Rocky Juarez, Ray Mercer, Ben Tackie, DeMarcus Corley etc...but no one is calling them future hall of famers.

    Question #1: Do you think De La Hoya's impressive resume would read the way it does if there was a penalty for losing? De La Hoya is the only fighter who seemingly suffers no lasting penalties for losing fights. It must feel great to know that you can challenge Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Pernell Whitaker, Ike Quartey, etc...with the confidence of knowing that a loss won’t be held against you (De La Hoya won close decisions over Quartey and Whitaker). Best of all, De La Hoya, even if he were to be completely dominated, can still get another Pay-Per-View bout six months later by simply contacting the proper authorities. A popular date for De La Hoya has been May 5th; it has a nice ring to it eh? Simply select a well known opponent regardless of weight class or rankings, build up the fight via HBO’s excellent promotion machine, vow that “I’m in the best shape of my life” and voila, pay me millions.

    Question #2: Do you think other fighters do not want to challenge themselves? What "great" fighter enters this sport without the desire or drive to be the best? What "great" fighter doesn't want to become a champion and make history? It is often said that recent pound-for-pound stars like Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Roy Jones before him ducked challenges or avoided fighting the best. Perhaps the difference is that Roy and Floyd are not free to lose fights as Oscar is. Simply put, they have more to lose; in fact, every fighter has more to lose than De La Hoya. Most fighters have to consider risk vs. reward; De La Hoya only needs to consider the reward. If Mayweather where to lose a fight, the repercussions would be extreme. De La Hoya does not have a “must win” burden that consumes him; he likely would not know what that kind of pressure felt like.

    Question #3: So what has afforded De La Hoya this luxury? Winning the gold in the 1992 Olympics, great timing, excellent promotion and marketing, a loyal Mexican-American fan base? All these things are fantastic; it is “gravy” actually. There is no crime in having a loyal base of diehard and casual fans that will support you win or lose. It is indeed a beautiful thing; but it can be argued that De La Hoya has taken advantage of that support, to the point where winning the fight seem’s to be an afterthought and Pay-Per-View sales is numero uno. A hard-line description would read “money first, performance second, winning or losing unimportant.”

    Final a nalysis:
    De La Hoya’s boxing career, though very good at the lighter weights, ultimately became a side show with apparently no shape or meaning other than to make tons of money. For instance, what great fighter switches trainers as much as De La Hoya? Oscar inconceivably has a new trainer for each fight, zero consistency. Did he actually think that hiring Nacho Beristain was going to have him fighting like Juan Manuel Marquez for one night only; or that Floyd Mayweather Sr. will have him defending like Floyd Jr. or that Freddie Roach would have him snapping and reeling off combos like Pacquiao? For those who cherish the fighter-trainer, student-teacher relationship, De La Hoya has made a mockery of it. Also it can be argued that De La Hoya has shown minimal growth as a fighter. His first loss against Felix Trinidad was over ten years ago, though it was a controversial decision that many thought should have gone the other way, Oscar did not respond by coming back better than ever, but by losing to Shane Mosley in his next big fight. There was no rematch with Trinidad, therefore no vengeance. As a matter of fact, De La Hoya never avenged any of his losses. A great fighter gets even fcor his losses. See Jones-Griffin II, Williams-Quintana II, Vasquez- Marquez II & III, Leonard- Duran II & III, Ali- Frazier II&III, several Ray Robinson rematches, etc…

    From the eyes of a cynic, De La Hoya’s serious career, or better yet, his time as a serious competitor ended the night he loss to Trinidad. Even his most loyal fans should find it difficult to argue that he has improved as a fighter since then. In fact it is generally accepted that he technically became worse. There is no excuse considering he was still in his prime and should have been capable of true victory not moral victories. The Trinidad fight could have been the crowning moment of his career but now it simply marks his transition from full time fighter to full time capitalist.

    Though De La Hoya’s list of opponents is impressive it must be pointed out that money and power, not merit or rankings, afforded De La Hoya the opportunity to fight all these great fighters post Trinidad. The problem is that his performance in many of those fights was often lackluster and ended in defeat. With no penalty for losing, Oscar is free to just move on and create for himself another mega-fight whether he deserves it or not. Hopefully in the future of boxing, the popular guy will not be allowed to engage in fights of this magnitude, against great fighters, with years in between a significant victory. In fact, the boxing world should actually be somewhat ashamed for putting image over talent, personality over performance, and money over merit.

    So as De La Hoya sails off into the sunset, let the great debate begin, was he truly a great fighter or was his greatness simply a well constructed perception?
     
  11. Godlovkin

    Godlovkin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Definetly

    beating prime Pac and Floyd in his last fights alone would be tough to top
     
  12. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Also moving up to MW beating prime Hopkins? Scary resume.:yep
     
  13. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    i see you left Jorge Paez and Jimmy bredahl off that list...You must not have followed boxing back then when toney and de lahoya fought on the same HBO undercard... you learn something new everyday dont cha..:hi:
     
  14. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    By the way that article is the Truufff!!!!
     
  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Hurtado was a good cuban fighter, don't disrespect him ..:patsch