De La Hoya's performance against Forbes, my verdict.

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    De La Hoya got the ideal workout against Forbes tonight. If he blew Forbes out of there inside 4 or 5 rounds, it would not have been ideal preperation for a Mayweather rematch.

    He was caught at times when Forbes opened up, but only in patches. Forbes' punches were either blocked or fell short of the target. Forbes punches were out of range, especially the jab. At times his punches were off the mark by half a foot. It was a fairy competitive fight, which is what any fighter needs as a tune-up in hindsight.

    De La Hoya's jab was as good as Ive seen it for a long time. Forbes' head was snapped back on regular basis at long range and mid-distance. De La Hoya has always had a very authoritive jab, but hadn't used it enough in the past for my liking. However, tonight his jab was right on the money. De La Hoya needs to work on his technique when he opens up with punches in bunches. His punches tend to widen as he triggers off combinations in 3-4-5's. He looks wreckless and unprecise. At long range behind the jab he's accurate, with a lead right hand.

    I liked De La Hoya's work to the body early, both hands, then after about 5 rounds he abandoned Forbes' body.

    De La Hoya's biggest problem, how to let a right hand vibrate and follow through. If you watch him when he throws combinations, his right hand is never a telling punch. It's just used to build rhythm to for his left.

    De La Hoya was swollen up under the eye and a cut nose. Sometimes thats what happens when you take punches. His defense wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. Against Sturm he was caught much more often.
     
  2. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty much, Forbes was there to be a heavybag on legs.

    The cut wasn't bad and the swelling was even less.
     
  3. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Agreed. He worked his jab effectively tonight, had a little more bounce in his step, and looked pretty good down the stretch.

    Mayweather in September, Cotto in December...how do you see these fights going?
     
  4. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    For different reasons all together, I was impressed with certain aspects of each fighters performance tonight.

    ODH, stayed loose and relaxed and was firing with authority behind a good jab and didn't fade down the stretch like he's becoming known for.

    Forbes, came NOT to lose, which honestly before the fight I thought he may take a dive. He showed a sick ass chin, and answered back with the best he could. At one point he even had the bigger ODH pinned in the corner unleashing for all he was worth.

    Although officially one sided, I enjoyed that fight much more than I thought I would have.
     
  5. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Well, I have always thought that De La Hoya shouldn't constantly press Mayweather. It's just not his style of fighting and not within his comfort zone. When forced to be the aggressor he's doing something thats not suited to him as a fighter.

    The jab worked well tonight and thats what he needs against Mayweather. Over the first 6 rounds of their first fight his jab was getting through when he advanced. But I reckon he should hang back a bit when they rematch. His jab is better than Mayweather's and he should really build up a flow behind it. If I was in De La Hoya's corner for the rematch I'd tell him between rounds how crucial it to get off the jab. I'd probably be looking for him to throw at least 30 jabs a round.

    De La Hoya also needs to add a bit waist movement, slip and counter, and try to force Mayweather into coming forward. He'll just play into Mayweather's hands if he comes forward, straight up and down, without much variation in his attacks. De La Hoya's always fought better when he's on his toes; a bounce.
     
  6. boxingwizard

    boxingwizard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was good to see Oscar using the jab all throughout the fight and not fading late, I hope he can do this against Mayweather and if he does this will probably be the deciding factor in the judges' decisions, Oscar could've won the first time around with a slight tweaking in the scores.
    Against Cotto, Oscar can stop him, it'll be a good fight with Oscar stopping Cotto in the middle rounds. Oscar can take Cotto's shots, I don't think Cotto can take his.
     
  7. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    DLH should retire & let PBF forced to fight Cotto. Let Hatton forced to fight Pac. Those are the fights Public wants!!

    Look here at the HBO Polls:

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    Floyd Mayweather-Miguel Cotto 68%
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  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    DLH needed someone to take him 12 rounds and make him work/think and he got it. Fighting someone like Gomez like Cotto did recently would've been bull**** and worthless, no doubt.
     
  9. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    De La Hoya has the power to trouble Cotto. But the way Cotto's chin has faired against Judah and Mosley, not sure about that one.

    Cotto's defense has improved. He's matured since moving up to welterweight and a new air of confidence surrounds him at the weight.
     
  10. Keihule

    Keihule Active Member Full Member

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    De La Hoya looked good tonight, he needs to throw the straight right hand more. Forbes didnt have a chance with all of those looping punches, DLH was compact and would tag him every tried to go for a haymaker.

    I think Mayweather DLH II will be interesting, although id rather see mayweather cotto which would be even more interesting.

    Cheers to Oscar for a good night of work.
     
  11. AliFrazier71

    AliFrazier71 Member Full Member

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    Cotto would take out Forbes in much the same manner in which he destroyed Gomez. I cant understand how anyone could be impressed with Oscar's performance tonight. Of course he was able to stay relaxed in the ring tonight, he was fighting a natural lightweight who he knew could not hurt him.

    I was cracking up when Larry Merchant brought up the fact that both fighters walk around at about 165. That may be true, but Forbes is fat at 165 and Oscar is not starving himself. Look at their physiques. Oscar of 10 years ago stops Forbes within 5 rounds. Today, his face gets busted up and he wins a UD in a fight that Forbes had no chance of winning.
     
  12. hell on legs

    hell on legs The Human tank Full Member

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    De La Hoya knows that his jab must be spot on and used often against floyd. In their fight when he jabbed, things went well, when he stopped floyd got his way.

    If the fight again, and oscar jabs all night, he wins. A ref that will let them mix it up would help his cause.
     
  13. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    I think Steve Forbes got paid to lose lol. IMO he was never hurt he was still energetic he didnt fight like he normally fights. As far as being the slick type of fighter he is. I mean delahoya looked better in this fight than in many of his previous. But I think something else is going on.
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    DLH does have a chance against Mayweather if he strictly uses the jab as an offensive weapon to punish, and throws combinations only sporadically in opportune times.

    Forbes was able to hit DLH solid in spots when DLH opened up with combinations.


    However, I did'nt know this, but I just saw the spanish broadcast of telemundo sports, and it was mentioned that DLH did'nt look as authoritive with his shots fighting at 150 lbs.....
    What they also mentioned and I did'nt know, is that one of the stipulations for a september rematch with Mayweather to take place, is for DLH to come down to 147 lbs.

    If that is true, I just dont see where DLH has a real chance to beat Mayweather, when he could'nt do it when he had a significant weight advantage against him.

    At 147 lbs, DLH will be over a year older, come in weight drained, and will have less of a strenghth advantage of Mayweather.

    Looking at the late rounds of the first fight, and seeing how Mayweather just took over, I thought Mayweather had a shot at the late KO.....
    ......at 147 lbs, I think that scenario comes to fruition.
    At 147 lbs, Floyd Mayweather imo will knockout DLH!


    DLH better think twice, about having a Mayweather rematch take place at 147 lbs, knowing DLH's tendencies throughout the years, he'll examine his performance against Forbes, and come to the realization he has little chance against Mayweather unless its again at 154 lbs.

    I'm thinking maybe the Mayweather fight will not fall through, and DLH will opt to end his career against either Cotto or Hatton, who would be better styles matchups for him.
     
  15. planetzion

    planetzion Well-Known Member Full Member

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    pretty much agree with evrything written....dlh had really good stamina i thought...better then I have seen.

    Apprently he has been working on calming down before a fight he had recognozed that he comes into fights way too tense thus using lots of nervous energy....makes sense...

    He didnt look faded at all