De La Hoya's resume

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  1. big_AL

    big_AL P4P #1 Full Member

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    people here say he fought great opposition but came up short alot

    technically thats true if one was to simply read the records but not after viewing each fight

    i picked his 12 best opponents,gave the verdict to who i think should have won and it breaks down like this:

    Whitaker- close fight with a past it but still decent whitaker who some say outboxed DLH.i viewed it as oscar's victory through workrate and more eye-catching shots.

    1-0

    Chavez-easy win against a faded legend.Good name to have on a resume but the fights,especially the 2nd,really were mismatches

    2-0

    Quartey-Another close fight that had it went down 6 years later,when dlh was more disciplined and a better boxer,would have been less exciting and a more comfortable win for oscar.Still oscar won well and proved some of his best qualities

    3-0

    Trinidad-L's like this on fighter's resumes always annoys me.It simply wasnt a loss and it robbed DLH of that career defining win.No mater what your opinion- oscar threw it away,oscar ran,he gave up the last 4 rounds etc,at the end of the day it isn't possible to win the first 8 rounds and lose.ROBBERY

    should have been DLH 4-0

    Mosley 1-probably dlh's most entertaining fight and another close one where arguments can be made for either fighter.I gave it to mosley based on his performance in the final stretch.A fair loss

    4-1

    Vargas-Great win for DLH,coming up in weight and fighting a fast,dangerous puncher in vargas.winning on the cards and the ko made it an even better end to a great fight

    5-1


    Mosley II-another L that doesn't belong,i thought dlh fought a smarter fight than the original and deserved the win

    6-1


    Sturm-i've only seen the final 5 rounds but from what i saw sturm was the more accurate while dlh's work rate and body attack scored him points on my card.without seeing the whole fight its hard to tell but i gave oscar the final round which earned him a draw


    6-1-1 or could be 6-2

    Hopkins-another testament to dlh's quality of opposition.going up in weight to fight the p4p best at the time was both commendable and stupid.160 was way above oscar's limit and no-one can argue the result as he was stopped

    6-2-1

    Mayorga-no description necessary.He killed him

    7-2-1

    Mayweather-the first real signs of dlh's decline as it was his first solid defeat.he started well but i gave mayweather the nod based on accurate and effective punching

    7-3-1

    Pacquiao-Pacquiao gets props for coming up to the weight well and for good accuracy but not much more.DLH was a zombie and i like to exclude this from memory when thinking about his career

    7-4-1



    so overall dlh was not given the w's he deserves and his record not only shows the quality of opposition faced but also the quality of opposition beaten
     
  2. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, the whole "he lost all his big fights" is bull****, up there with "Tyson lost to anyone who stood up to him."
     
  3. big_AL

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    yeah that tyson thing is a half truth at best.Peter mcneeley stood up to him before the bell but look how that turned out
     
  4. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't get how he didn't lose his big fights when he did lose them? I don't understand that.
    Hopkins, Mosley, Tito and Strum. I believe he won in the Quartey fight, but you can also give it to Quartey too. That was a super close fight.
     
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  7. saul_ir34

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    Guy has the best resume of recent times.

    And yes alot of the fights he lost could have gone his way.

    I would love to see someone have the resume he had.
     
  8. LancsTerrible

    LancsTerrible Different Forms of Game. Full Member

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    Whitaker, Gonzalez, Chavez 1, Quartey in hindsight where all big fights.

    And I thought he got robbed against Mosley in the second fight and Tito.

    40-5-0 I have him (considering I thought he lost against Sturm.)
     
  9. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I thought Oscar lost to quartey,mosley1,hopkins,sturm,mayweather,pacquiao

    In my eyes he edged the whitaker fight, beat trinidad and beat mosley 2

    If we look at his resume like that he has a very solid resume with a lot of great guys on it.
    If he just had beaten either b-hop or mayweather and got the wins and losses he deserved people would have rated him much higher.
    His best win on his official record is Vargas or whitaker, eventhough pea was past it he was still very dangerous.
     
  10. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

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    A boxer who fought the best - A dying breed
     
  11. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    De La Hoya has always been willing to fight some of the Marquee names...It really erks me on how some dumbass people (Lance) claims he ducked Margorito!:lol:

    Given his resume, I dont see how anybody could remotely come close to saying he feared the Great Margorito.:rofl

    Love him or hate him...De La Hoya would give any fighter a run for their money..Win or lose!
     
  12. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    that guy in your avatar, carl froch and in my eyes pacquiao also fall in that category.
     
  13. horst

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    I think Oscar has a great resume, going by his era's standards.

    Although I think both Quartey and Whitaker beat him by a point, I had him a clear winner in the Trinidad fight (by 4 points) and in the second Mosley fight (by 5 points).

    So he got beaten by Hopkins and didn't deserve the decision vs Sturm - big ****ing deal. The guy should never have been at middleweight anyway, he was a smaller man reaching for the stars and competed well against both.

    Against both Pacquiao and Mayweather, Oscar was years and years past his best, neither defeat hurts his ATG standing much. In fact, I give Oscar a lot of credit for his performance against Mayweather. He was in there with a younger, fresher, faster guy with better stamina, yet still took it to an SD despite being a pale imitation of the fighter he was in the late 90s.

    The biggest fight of his life was Trinidad, and he outboxed a prime HOF-class opponent pretty clearly.

    To my mind, the only fight he clearly lost (ie by more than a single point) in his prime was Mosley 1, and Shane was a physical phenomenon back then - and Oscar won the second fight more clearly than Shane did the 1st bout, by my card.

    If you consistently fight the very, very toughest comp available, you will incur losses, that's just a fact of boxing, and that's what Oscar did. Great fighter, great resume.
     
  14. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    Put it this way...

    Reverse your 12.
    Who is the better Oscar -

    Pac, PBF, Mosley x2, Hopkins and Trinidad.

    or

    old Pea, JCC, Mayorga, Sturm, Vargas and Quartey


    I am not saying he is not good. I think he is excellent. But if he wins just some of those big defeats, he could have placed MUCH higher ATG wise.
     
  15. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Saying he avoided winky,forrest and margarito isnt that crazy, allthough I give him a pass based on resume.