De La Hoya's resume

De La Hoya avoided Margarito in favour for a harder fight with a better opponent (one who was p4p#1 and later beat the living **** out of Margo)? :huh Not sure I follow your logic there mate.

 

Fair enough...but how some people tried to explain it (not saying you) Oscar was in dying fear of Margorito.

 

I agree. People say Pea and Chavez were old, and yes, they were at the twilight of their careers, but they were still ranked P4P in the top, #1 for Pea I believe.

People say those two wins shouldn't get credit, but both fighters only had one loss when Oscar fought them, and had less time or about the same as Morales and Barrera had when Pac fought them. Yet many who consider Pac top ATG consider the Barrera and Morales fights Pac's best wins.

Chavez and Whitaker are leagues above Morales and Barrera...easily.

As far as the Whitaker fight, I can't really see how anyone would score it for Pea...Pea looked fantastic, using his skill and amazing reflexes! But Oscar controlled the fight, by pushing Whitaker back throughout the fight, and landed enough more meaningful punches than Whitaker.

He also looked like he wanted it more than Whitaker, where as Whitaker seemed content flicking his jab and staying defensive.

The Quartey fight on the other hand was closer, but I felt Oscar won it, and sealed it in the 12th. It was a great fight, and its underrated imo.

Oscar fought in an era was the talent pool was deep, way way deeper than it is today.

 

If you want an answer on the Margarito thing. Oscar wanted Manny for two reasons, his pound for pound status and the financial gain. It turned out to be the hardest fight he could have taken.

Margarito was just the man who beat Cotto to Oscar I guess. He would have wrecked both men in his prime too, despite what Margarito likes to voice.

 

Of course you do, When rumours started that Oscarw as going to make pac come up he was very much critisized for picking on a former flyweight that was a lightweight, Oscar at the time was at 154. Everyone wanted the cotto vs margarito winner to get in a great fight with Oscar. Yet he makes little manny come up to 147 and people critisized him badly for it labeling the fight a mismatch because of the size difference claiming Oscar will kncok him out easily. Pac however destroys de la hoya gets labled the cherrypicker and becomes the welterweight monster we have today.
Back the most people thought it would be special if he was able to carry his power and speed to 135 and that he should stay there or maybe move up and risk it all vs hatton.
Im very happy Oscar fought pac back then because it made him a superstar, but Margarito after the cotto fight was a more logical chocie back then.

 

Thats the point I was getting at!:good

 

Dunno man, to me I think you have to do more than choose another hard fight for it to be considered properly avoiding an opponent. For instance, when Floyd Mayweather was originally in the welterweight division, he chose to fight Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir and Hatton - when Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Williams were all available. So he consistently fought weaker opposition than there was available, and for no real purpose, because he could've made more money fighting Cotto, Mosley and Margarito and still won titles.

For me, Oscar didn't avoid Margo, he simply chose to fight someone else, but it wasn't a lesser fight. Pacquiao was a bigger name than Margarito, a greater boxer with a higher profile and whose name would mean more in terms of legacy, and that's before you even consider the money side.

Nah, if Oscar had fought Steve Forbes instead of Margo and then retired, I'd say he avoided Margo, but in reality Oscar took an equally risky fight that had greater rewards. That is not the same as avoiding someone, IMO.

 

It's not a fair statement, because most boxing fans use the word avoid and duck with the same meaning.

Oscar fought everyone he could have and should have. Many fighters called him out, and some were more vocal than others, and ususally those are the fighters people say Oscar ducked.

Winky for example. Many people say he ducked/avoided winky, but in reality, Oscar was frying bigger fish than Winky when Winky was calling him out. Infact, Oscar had KO Fernando Vargas who had a close decision vs Winky Wright. Then Oscar decided to avenge imo, and the opinion of the masses, his only true loss in Mosley. Fair enought.

You say he ducked Forrest or avoided Forrest :roll:! You my friend don't know **** about boxing. PLEASE, PLEASE tell me when it is justified to say he "avoided" Forrest. What year, what division, and after and before what fight. I'd like to hear your answer for this. :think :good

 

I agree with you. It's all too easy for pick out names, when in reality it's impossible for everyone to fight every other active fighter.

Did Lennox Lewis "avoid" Chris Byrd? Nah, he just fought David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Hasim Rahman and Vitali Klitschko instead.

 

what do you think would have happened if oscar has easily beat pac that night? People would say pac was out of his ideal weight and was cherrypicked and therefore give Oscar no credit for the fight, moneywise it did make sense though.
It would have been seen a bit vs floyd vs marquez in terms of critisizing, floyd still doesnt get credit for it. A great fighter out of his perfect weight that got beaten by the bigger man. Therefore a lot of the times there is little to gain I think for a guy thats facing a boxer that is jumping up weight divisions to challenge.

 

I like that fact that he fought everyone. Pacquaio would not be domintation a lot of does guy during that time, and Floyd would have lost his 0 already. Hoya fought in a better era of boxing.

 

Agreed :good

 

Well the only elite fighters/ATGs he fought who were still in their prime he lost to:

Trinidad, Mosley I and II, Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao


His best wins came against faded legends like Chavez and Whitaker and guys like Mayorga and Vargas. Quartey might actually be his best win, and alot of fans think he lost that fight too.

 

What about Chavez, Whitaker, Camacho, Ruelas, Hernandez, Gonzalez, Leija, Gatti, Castillejo, Vargas, Mayorga, Carr, Paez, John John Molina, ect..... none of those are worth anything either? It's funny that you mention "Sturm" as a big fight, but leave out all of those.atsch

 

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He fought Margarito for a vacant belt. He's fighting Mosley. etc. etc.:deal