Dear Classic Forum, can you qualify as a top analyst even if you never make any pics?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Nov 23, 2007.


  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I love reading your musings on fantasy match-ups! It's very educational and entertaining! But no one can ever be proved right! Perhaps this is why you enjoy indulging in these debates so much - you are never knocked down your lofty perch; nothing ever changes; your eye permits no change.

    Shouldn't you fair scholars climb down that ivory tower to test your mettle against the live dragons of the present, who breathe real flames, which burn, more than just the ego, when you pick wrong, from time to time?

    :D
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    A good student of the old follows the new and makes picks based on his supposed extensive knowledge of the sweet science.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I see no difference in picking Duran over Ted Kid Lewis and picking Calzaghe over Kessler. Somtimes i'm right and sometimes i'm wrong.

    Certainly i'm never thinking about the pick come fight night.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Indeed! My very thought!

    Talking of picks...you haven't picked much lately; nor have you analysed much!:bart
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I never make picks as such.

    I efectivley say "this is what I think will happen and why" but..............
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    That is a pick...;) Anyway, I never see any analysis from you on any of the big fights...:bart
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Look, lads, this is what it means to make a pick -

    Brooklyn1550 on Mayweather v. Hatton:


    What do you think each will bring to the table?
    Mayweather - Technical skill, movement, defense, counterpunching, athleticism, reflexes, and speed

    Hatton - Pressure, brawling, body punching, toughness, foot speed which can lead to him closing the distance very quickly, underrated hand speed, punch output, and physical strength

    What do you expect their strategy to be?
    Mayweather - I expect Mayweather to use his movement early on and potshot Hatton from the outside. He will give him different angles and move laterally in different directions to frusturate Hatton and keep Hatton occupied in trying to cut off the ring. I see him keeping it in the center of the ring too, where Hatton doesn't have the speed or timing to counter him nor the jab and boxing skills to out-box him. He will pick his spots to catch Hatton coming in with left hooks, right hands, and uppercuts. As the fight progresses, I see Floyd stepping it up and sit down on his shots more. He'll put punches together in combination and mix it up to the body and the head. If Hatton gets him in the ropes, that is where he will have the most success, but Floyd will find opportunities to counter and catch Hatton. He is sneaky off the ropes as seen in his fights with Jesus Chavez and Oscar De La Hoya. Sneaky and very hard to hit.

    Hatton - Hatton will have one thing in mind: pressure. He will not be as sloppy and flat as he was against Collazo, as focused on out-boxing his opponent as he was against Urango, or intent on using his speed against a slower opponent like he was against Castillo. He will be coming forward, trying to cut off the ring, and push Floyd back into the ropes where he can sit down on his shots. He will want to utilize more feints to keep Floyd thinking. I expect him to move his head more when coming in, because he usually comes in with wide shots and no head movement, which leaves him very open. And a good counter puncher or a quick, accurate puncher can take advantage of this (Collazo). Hatton will try to get on the inside with a jab in this fight. There will be a good deal of clinches initiated by him, as he will try to open up Floyd and muscle him around.

    How could each win?
    Mayweather - Mayweather wins if he fights a smart fight. If he gives enough movement to keep Hatton chasing him, catches him coming in, counters him and catches him in the middle of Hatton's flurries, and still has unreal reflexes (which I'm positive he does). He can win by keeping this mostly in the center of the ring where his hand speed and defense will be all too apparent. He can't let Hatton cut off the ring too much and he can't let Hatton outwork him too much, or else judges may be swayed by the workrate and aggression of Hatton.

    Hatton - Hatton can win if he fights the perfect fight. And by that, I mean coming in 110 percent, working inside behind a jab, giving head movement, utilizing feints when coming in, working the body, keeping a blistering workrate, cutting off the ring, giving different angles when Floyd is against the ropes and in corners, and roughing him up. To be honest, I think he needs to fight in a similar manner as Duran did in the first Leonard fight. The beauty of this is that if Hatton fights the perfect fight, Floyd is still very capable of winning.

    How do you think this fight will play out?
    I expect this fight to be close for the first 4 rounds. Hatton will pressure Floyd, move him back, dig into the body, and make it a physical/rough fight. Then, Floyd will adjust to Hatton and catch him coming in, stick and move, and make Hatton's aggression and pressure ineffective. He will sit down on his shots more in the mid to late rounds and throw quick/sharp/snappy combinations that bust up Ricky's face and make him more tired than usual (because of the shots he's taking and the movement of Floyd). I see a very good performance from Floyd Mayweather in this fight, with Hatton having some nice moments.

    Final Prediction
    Floyd Mayweather Jr UD12 Ricky Hatton
    117-111, 117-111, 116-112

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    Now, you may disagree with the analysis or the pick, but there is a lot of high quality material to engage with - it's not just some platitudes written down in a great rush with some throwaway remark for a pick at the end!
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I made a pick on Calzaghe Kessler to be fair.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    That was a loooong time ago!:bart

    :D :good
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Yes. There are many types of boxing analysts / historians.

    Some analysts / historians focus on different eras as if they were different sports. The requirements of each era and management style of the fighters have changed throughout the decades. The money and politics has also changed. Hence picking between fighters who had no chance to meet each other in the flesh is means very little to them. These types of analysts / historians prefer to focus on what the fighters accomplished as boxers, and what they meant to the sports world while they were on top.

    Just because one guy was successful in one era, doesn't mean he would be as successful in another era.
     
  11. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    I do make picks on most heavyweight fights, and I am almost always right when it comes to heavyweight. Follow me and you will make mad cash.

    In the past year I have picked, correctly,
    Wlad over Brewster
    Povetkin over Byrd and Donald
    Chambers over Brock
    Ibragimov over Holy (that was a tough one)
    Ibragimov over Briggs
    Chagaev over Valuev
    Haye over Mormeck
    Gomez over McCall
    Peter over Toney I and II
    Maskaev over Rahman.

    In fact, I don't think I've been wrong on the heavyweights since I picked Ibragimov over Ray Austin middle of last year. Who knew that Iggy would fight so poorly??
     
  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I picked Mosley to finish strong vs Cotto for a decision win or late stoppage. Wrong damn it.
     
  13. MotorCityCobra

    MotorCityCobra Member Full Member

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    Brooklyn very rarely posts like that though. He's normally the one who just gives a simple "Mayweather by UD". I agree with him most of the time though.