After witnessing the alien snoozer that was Peter/Maskaev I've drawn the conclusion that foreigners (+ Shannon Briggs) have ****ed up the heavyweight division. With all of its most recognizable "talent" having origins outside of the States, the heavyweight division is not only dismal, but impratical. Who wants to watch two lumbering, limited boxers fight for what's sure to be a sham of a title? You can't even broadcast a HW feature on PPV anymore. The flagship division has been so downtrodden as of late that the little guys are the most marketable fighters heading the PPV cards. The next PPV bout is Pacquiao vs Marquez. I'm not saying this is not a PPV-worthy fight, but to not have enough interest in the HW division to have its championship fights on PPV is embarassing. I can understand why, too. Outside of Klitschko, these sonsabitches don't even have the decency to come into their fights in shape . . . outside of the fact they have a limited skill set. I know the flak is coming, but Ruiz can take either of those two bums (Peter & Maskaev) and Chagaev or whoever the hell he is. Ruiz is being blackballed because he's the only talented boxer left in the HW division. Dear God, please grant me an American heavyweight with hands of stone, chin of granite, speed of cheetah, and endurance of stallion. Is that too much to ask? Can we restore the heyday of heavyweight boxing?
Unlucky Yanks, the next big thing at Heavy is British. You have one good prospect in that kid at cruiser though, he will be a good heavy.
Your there ripping into the foreign heavyweights, and fair enough, they suck, but your forgetting one thing. There aren't any Americans as good as these so called **** heavyweights out there! Oleg Maskeav beats just about any American prospect even though he's ****ed and ancient. I just think that America's time as a great boxing nation is over. Boxing is a european sport now, you lot have MMA and UFC instead. I'm quite happy for that to be the case, being british, although I will miss having some of the entertaining american fighters around.
I don't think it so much as a european sport now. More a world sport. Countries like Puerto Rico, Mexico and Cuba are churning out champions aswell.
Good point, I overlooked latin america. However, in terms of which area has the biggest market for boxing, where the viewing figures and PPV money will come from, I still see europe as the future. HBO make more money staging heavyweight title fights in Germany than they do in the USA, the german PPV market is very lucrative. If you also factor in the success of British fighters, and the fact that Boxing is now a mainstream sport in the UK once again, you could see how there is more potential for profit in the European market than there is in the US market. I mean 50,000 for Calzaghe - Kessler? 20,000 for Haye - Macc? 900,000 PPV buys in the UK alone for Hatton - Mayweather. 7 million people watching Amir Khan on ITV? Those numbers tell a big story. The same is true in continental europe, lest we forget Sven Ottke would get 15million people watching him in Germany. The demand for boxing in the US has been replaced by demand for MMA, so instead the big networks will follow the money and head to europe. This is already certainly true in the Heavyweight division, where all the best fighters are European, and any non-european is the exception these days. This trend will continue over time and sooner or later include the lower weight divisions. I dont say I like this, I'm not going to get all nationalistic about it, because American fighters have been the lifesblood of the sport for over 100 years and without them we are going to lose a lot of the glamour from boxing, but boxing will never die it will adapt to survive, and the adaptation in this case means crossing the atlantic.
Well if boxing is going to become a "European sport," my question is this: Why must a certain faction of Europeans fight like pussies? Take Wladimir Klitschko for example. Wladimir unquestionably is one of the most physically gifted fighters to ever lace up a pair of gloves. Immense size, good reach, great power . . . and he turns around and combines all of this to fight like a dripping wet vagina. Why is this? Why is this acceptable? So my thing is this, let's say American boxers suck now and that's why Europeans are on top (I'm not gonna dispute that). Why didn't/don't the Euros increase or at least maintain the viability of heavyweight boxing. Once the Euros received the baton things started going downhill (save Lennonx). So what does that tell us about European boxing on a HW championship level? European boxing on a HW championship level is not interesting and furthermore inferior to American HW boxing on a championship level which has resulted in the current disinterest in the HW scene that we see today. You can pretty much heap this all on Klitschko's shoulders because he's the one with immense talent. If he stopped fighting like a fairy maybe things would change.
Not really, but it helps. On a sidenote: The next thread I was about to create was one praising David Haye (who I'm admittedly not a fan of). I was very impressed with his performance against Enzo. It looked like he was in the zone. I'm not even necessarily talking about the punches he landed but moreso his movement and quickness. He didn't look nearly that good against JMM although he achieved the same result. I really cannot underscore his quickness enough. Maybe it looked that way relative to his opponent but the incarnation of Haye that fought last night is, dare I say it, . . . unstoppable.
In Fairness, Klitschko doesn't normally fight as cynically as he did against Ibragimov, I remember his blasting the **** out of plenty of guys in the past. But I think it has to do with the former Soviet eastern bloc fighting style, and the over-reliance on point scoring and the one-two. Luckily there are British fighters out there, who dont tend to do this, who act as an antidote. Just as someone from the gyms of Philly or Detroit will have a style that reflects their environment, which will be different to a fighter who's trained in LA or Tijuana or Miami, Europe has its own difference is style based on where you go. Not all european boxers fight like Klitschko or Ottke, only former commie ones do.
I think it all comes down to psychology. An American fighter lives in the ring, while a European fighter participates in a sports event. Americans talk about the streets and being tough while Europeans talk about training regime. As a result you get American fighters who are larger than life characters ready to die in the ring and blowing up between fights. American fighters like this will make for a great show but will lose to a calculating disciplined European fighter who is never out of shape. Occasionally there are exceptions, like Brewster Krasniqi, only to get a nail in the coffin by Brewster - Wlad II. Fights like Gatti-Ward would never happen in Europe. But Europe has other types of fight which are just as exciting to watch for those who enjoy the finer side of the sweet science. Ulrich - Barashian comes to mind.
I don't necessarily agree with this. The demand in America is for entertaining boxing, the operative word being entertaining, not a shift towards MMA over boxing. Over the past 10 years the lower weights have been filled w/ Marquez's, Pacquiao's, Morales', Chavez's, Barrera's, Castillo's, Cotto's, etc. all non-American, yet exciting fighters who we watched religiously. Whenever their fights would come up all the guys at work would be talking about them in high anticipation. The same just cannot be said of the foreign heavyweights of today. They don't supply the consumer with a feeling of satisfaction after the bout's completed. The quality of the product presented by the foreign heavyweights is poor that's why no one watches. Americans demand a high-quality product on par with that of yester-year. This is why you can still put the lower weight classes on PPV and they're experiencing record-breaking sales #'s. The demand is there, it's just the quality product to satisfy the demand that isn't regarding foreign Heavyweights.