Dear JT apologists, Ouma IS an overrated fighter.

Lets be fair. Ouma is a tough customer who keeps coming.

Taylor won every round. He fought stupid and got a little tired but he dominated and there was nothing wrong with the win apart from a technical standpoint.

 

Taylor is 2-0-1 against the fighters who have resumes that speak for themselves, yet his own resume *doesn't* speak for itself? Interesting.

Let me guess, "those fights were bull****!!!11one" - or some goddamn thing, right?

 

Damn China, I agree with alot of your posts (when not flat out hating on America) and I to a good extent agree about Taylor. But, here lately you seem to have "hate America" at the top of your agenda. Not all American fighters are over hyped and I agree some great Euro fighters deserve much more credit. Just please don't throw us all into the trash heap that a few deserve.:good

 

Petty much. I have to agree, though I used to like Taylor more.

 

You're going overboard here.

If youre going to put Taylor under that kind of microscope, you had better be able to do the same for Calzaghe.

Taylor has pretty much fought evenly with two better fighters than any Calzaghe has ever / will ever fight.

You can talk down on his other opponents, but the fact remains that he has two wins and a draw that dwarf anything Calzaghe has done.

 

I was being sarcastic.

 

I like Taylor, but I'll be the first to admit his performances against Ouma and Spinks hurt his rep.
But, he quickly signed to fight Pavlik, so what's the point dwelling on those fights. If Pavlik is as good and Taylor is as bad as many here think, then he Jermain should be dispatched easily.

Of course, now that the Pavlik fans have been going on and on about how their man is going to destroy Taylor, they're going to look awfully foolish if it doesn't go down that way.

 

I hear ya (and they would all KO1 me no doubt) I just meant they have sucked to watch.
I will have to re-calibrate my sarcasm detector.

 

Too many biased opinions in there. Old Eubank would have KO'd Taylor? I dont think so. Winky would be too small in there with Joe, I'll give you that, but to say that the Bernard that fought JT would not have posed Calzaghe problems is ludicrous.

I mean I have JT 1-1-1 in the three bouts against Wink and Bernard and score the Spinks bout a lot closer than most do. But the fact remains that he has fought a large number of different styles, mostly against slick, crafty fighters who were all world class. Even Ouma had won a title at 154. I mean its far better than a Manfredo, who couldnt even eek out a Contender title. Sorry for the Cal reference again, but it puts things into perspective.

And your quick to pick Pavlik over Taylor, but I don't know how well Big Joe would fare against Kelly, and thats whats coming next if Calzaghe gets by Kessler. Again, sorry for the Calzaghe reference, but he and Taylor are the faces of their respective divisions and have to be contrasted.

 

I agree. Both Hopkins and Wright had to fly under the radar before earning recognition.

 

Luckily your cards don't mean jack ****. An undisputable fact is taylor's record is 2-0-1 against Winky and Hops. Anything else is just an opinion

 

wow now that i look at it you 100% right .

taylor gets KO'd

 

First off, I'm glad I get a nice little debate with another educated poster. Its been a little while. Let's do the damn thing.

I don't know that Taylor's jab would not have been dominant enough of a factor in that bout. While Eubank certainly had the power to possibly stop Taylor, the only time Taylor has ever shown signs of being hurt was after Picture perfect right hands from Hopkins, and that power of Hopkins also carried all the way up to LHW, as displayed against Tarver. I feel this one would have went the distance, and at that point in Eubank's career it would have been close IMHO. I havent watched that bout in a long long time though and I could be underestimating Eubank at that point in his career. This much I will admit.

See, I differ in opinion here. I don't think that anyone can simply go in and outwork Hopkin simply by workrate, especially now at LHW where Bernard looks much more comfortable. He was killing himself at MW, and that to me was the reason that he couldnt put up enough of a workrate against Taylor to win convincingly, though I dont personally feel that Hopkins deserved a loss in either bout. I had Hopkins winning one and a draw in another. Winky had been throwing tons of punches in his last few bouts, but you simply cant do that against Bernard because he is far to adept a counter puncher and the more you throw, the more you get hit. I think its a misconception that you are going to beat even the current Hopkins simply by throwing a bunch. Both Calzaghe and Dawson have been dropped by far less powerful punchers and punches than Hopkins right hand, which he would land a bunch against both Calzaghe and Dawson.

Again, Hopkins conservative if you fight at his pace. Turn up the volume and youre gonna still eat a bunch of leather. Bika would trouble Taylor much in the same fashion that Ouma did, perhaps even more competitive, but Ouma did not trouble JT, he just survived. He was beaten in damn near every round.

And Taylor would have fought a bit different if Winky did have the power. This is the fight that I do score for Taylor, because he hit Winky cleanly a lot more than anyone wants to give him credit for, and the evidence is in Winky's face, and his refusal of a rematch even when Taylor met all of his demands, as ludicrous as they became.

Folded how? By winning every single round?

Thats cool. It is all relative because they are at the head of their divisions all of 8 pounds away from one another.

You criticize Hopkins of fighting at a measured pace, when Kessler is quite conservative himself, although he does pump that jab out there quite a bit. Pavlik does one thing that Kessler doesnt, and thats throw a TON of leather. At Joe's advanced age, and with his tendancy to throw a ton of punches himself, a measured pace is a dangerous way to fight him, and given how Bika looked against him, even you have to acknowledge that Pavlik might pose some serious problems for Joe at this point in his career. I feel that Kessler might be too patient, although I feel both would be very tough battles for the Italian Dragon.

Not with technique, but as far as how much trouble they would bring to Calzaghe, I feel they are comparable.

To be determined. I know we'll meet in the middle somewhere.