Dear JT apologists, Ouma IS an overrated fighter.

Don't get me wrong, resume's MATTER greatly. What I meant was that some resume's are overrated do to big name factors and other are underrated due to the majority of western fans knowing little about the opponents.

Calzaghe's resume is overall very good for example, specifically on how he won the majority of them also, his resume right now is on par or better than Kostya Tszyu, who is now regarded as a legendary fighter and I agree with that. People make comments like being competitive with Hopkins and Wright at this point blows away Calzaghe's resume... that's ridiculous.

Let's step it up a notch though, Kessler's resume is also comparable if you really want to dig deep and he lacks a true big name at the moment, but if Kessler defeats Calzaghe, he'll recieve credit and will be ranked P4P of course, but it still will not have the same effect as HBO hype boy getting a gift over Hopkins and how people were high on Taylor at that point(because they overestimate what an older Hopkins can currently do), but it's since fizzled out with the Wright performance and the two horrible performances over Spinks and Ouma.

This is all injustice to me. Guys like Kessler don't struggle with B level guys coming up from the lower weights, I am sorry. He never will also, as he's cleaned out the B level in his OWN weight class and has only lost 5 or 6 rounds total, now THATS impressive, but the winner of Kessler-Calzaghe is going to be given credit, but not the type that is deserved.

I hope you understand what I mean now when I say 'overrated resume' and that 'set resume's' and 'set circles' are looking very shitty right now.

I'll give you another example -

Paul Briggs would have pasted Tarver, but Tarver chose the big name money fights(most people would), he dropped the titles to face the bigger names instead of the big threat. But the problem with Tarver being considered the best LHW is that he didn't face a guy who could have most likely pasted his ass.

In that regard, Adamek vs. Briggs meant more to me than Tarver vs. Jones 3, but which one brought more regard?:yep

 

I come here to discuss boxing, I love boxing, I have fought amatuer and continue to train in boxing and the art of boxing, as well as the sport is one of my biggest passions, far more than the average fan.

I'm not a nuthugger, I'm not a tool, I'm also not an expert, but I give it my best shot and I don't feel I'm biased, maybe you don't see the immense credit that I give where it is due.

I have a great 'clue' of who is going to win in big fights always, the clue may not always be right, but when you have a 75% success rate, to the point where betting on this sport brings you extra income on a very consistent basis, then you start to have a feel where you can truly predict what's going to happen and I can do so 'fairly well'. I don't play ignorant with this sport, I can analyse styles, ability, intangibles and project a winner and most of the time I am correct, but not only correct, but perfectly on target.

This is why I speak like an authority on these types of things, but I don't seek to insult other posters, I don't seek to come off as smug, I just like talking about boxing and I cannot help if you recieve it as smug, especially when I feel that I am 'onto something' and I wish to share it with everyone else so we all learn something together... likewise when I appreciate when someone enlightens me to something.

I just cannot stand the close mindedness with this sport and it's ratings and Jermain Taylor is a prime example.

Tarver was just an example of an 'overrated name', who fought within a circle of other 'name' fighters, staying away from true danger, like a young and hunry Paul Briggs.

Let's do.

This is not even close, you are really projecting your ignorance well and I normally would not call someone on this harschly, but you have sought to personally insult me because you don't agree with my analysis'.

I thought I clearly said that 'Taylor is a SMW who is able to fight down at MW, which is good for him'. Taylor weighs in at 175 come fight night, Calzaghe weighs 175 come fight night, they are the same size roughly, the comparison of MW's-SMW's is as close as it gets.

What does making weight have to do with comparable size? DLH made 130 early in his career, are you telling me he was not a 140 who was able to make 130 at that time?

 

What do you think of Byron Mitchell vs. Taylor?

Mitchell was robbed vs. Ottke, was able to press him decent late despite Ottke's running. Mitchell KOed a prime Manny Siaca, KOed Frankie Liles, who is a top 15 at SMW.

Mitchell would land his KO shots on Taylor, would impose his size.

See what I mean Guru? This is a stylistic comparison to where Byron Mitchell legitimately has a chance to KO Jermain Taylor and all I am trying to do here is legitimize that the SMW division is FAR superior to the current MW division.

But I'll be fair, Mitchell doesn't beat Abraham(stylistic nastyness), but he has a decent chance vs. Pavlik due to comparable size.

And then looking back, who in the hell would destroy Mitchell like Calzaghe did? When that happened Americans acted like Mitchell was just a crap fighter, when he actually had a very solid resume for the division at the time.

So then ****ing Taylor scrapes by tiny Spinks and is of course criticised, but people write it off as 'any MW would look bad vs. Spinks'. I hate this **** so much and I can stop using Calzaghe as the example and use any underrated SMW in comparison to the very shallow MW division now, or I can use other underrated fighters who get no credit.

 

He's about to get served a nice KO loss.

Well that isn't going to happen mate.

He's going to look great in beating Kessler, he'd especially look great in beating Wright and would stop Wright, but that's a size and styles thing that swings terribly against Wright as Winky's a LMW and lateral movement ****s him up, he'd get annihilated in there with Joe.

I think that 'at this point' in Hopkins' career, he'd be shutout by Calzaghe. People don't like to hear that because Hopkins is such an icon and a great story, who isn't impressed by someone his age competing? But that means little against a guy like Calzaghe who's bringing the ferocious workrate, but behind a set of skills and experience that rivals the best.

I pointed that out that Mitchell would have had a great shot vs. Pavlik, would have lost to Abraham, but would have sparked Taylor. Byron Mitchell was a top 5 at SMW in the early 2000's, one that Calzaghe recieves little credit for obliterating by the way, something that never happened as every top class fighter Mitchell fought, he was competitive with... anyway...

And what I mean by that is that Mitchell is not on the current level of Kessler, Bute, Froch etc.

I don't see the guys at MW beating those 3, much less Calzaghe, who's the reigning king.

I'm a big fan of SMW - Kessler, Bute, Lacy - all of them, I like all of them, and I mean that truly. But I like them because they are all 'quality' around the general size...

Unlike MW, where you have a hype job as the king, two solid but not great fighters in Abraham and Pavlik and then a mystery in Miranda as the top class, as well as Wright, who's on his last legs.

Just my observation...

 

You admitted below that the Lacy train blinded you a bit. B-hop at 42 and competing is blinding for some in my opinion, he's really eroded and it hasn't shown it's ugly head because he's not fought a younger, fresher SMW-LHW that can deal with his experience. Wright's old too and Tarver is about at journeyman level at this point.

Multiple things. Off night for one and little preparation(this is a problem with JC), he owned Bika first two rounds and then Bika went into intense amounts of excessive holding to stay in the fight and JC wasn't conditioned enough to out wrestle him. In my opinion, Bika should have been DQ'd, it was bad, John Ruiz like.

Byron Mitchell was a B level guy, he wasn't impressive. Just a slow, solid boxer-puncher with 1 punch KO power. I'm saying Calzaghe dealt with him extremely well and even ate a massive temple shot and was up at 3. Then I provided logic that the MW's currently even out to about Byron Mitchells level, I think that's accurate.

Lacy is a good fighter, he was hurt against Sheika sure, but it's not like Sheika can't hit either. Lacy's issue's were trying to load up and finish a guy too quickly and this lead to problems. But he was getting better and better, you'd expect at around 12-16 fights that he'd be flawed, the Reid win was an exclamation of where he was at, biased ref or not, he was owning Reid.

Kessler is phenominal. Mundine is again not impressive per say, but he's better than the guys at MW for sure, look what he did to ****ing Soloman, who Wright struggled with. Bute is very solid, Froch is a nutter but one of those psycho fighters with power and speed.

Andrade is B level, but all I stated that he'd have a damn good chance at slaughtering the MW's due to his pressure and their lack of pedigree like the SMW-LHW's have. Kessler dealt with Andrade in a beautiful shutout, like Calzaghe did Lacy, this is quality man.

Taylor's ugly fight with a tiny Ouma can't compare to Kessler's punishing shutout of a superior larger man. It's absurd for Taylor to be ranked higher P4P than Kessler after his performances against Ouma and Spinks.

I give a big edge to SMW, but it's also a division that I study deeper than you do and that's fine. I really watch the Euro and World scene, but the flipside is that my favourite fighters have generally been American and I hate euro-nut huggers.

I just go for the fighters and call it as I see them.