Dear Taylor apologists, here is another scenerio for you and more angles.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Sep 2, 2007.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    This also relates to the 'senior circuit' and the 'circle jerking circuit'.

    To start off my friends, I'd like to use Arthur Abraham as my subject matter, who recently KOed Khoren Gevor, a slick and true to form real MW who gave Abraham problems stylistically with his boxing ability. It is fact that Gevor had been stopped in the past, but so had Spinks against Judah.

    Arthur Abraham recieves little credit for brutally starching Gevor, but Jermain Taylor recieves credit for 'nearly shutting out Ouma' and then dealing with a tough styles match up in Spinks. Spinks was presented for Jermain Taylor as a quick name and easy smaller man for Taylor to knock out as we know, I in fact scored the fight a draw and the credit should go to Cory Spinks for taking the fight and nearly winning it...

    But let's go back to 2006 when Abraham got the lucky win over Miranda. Let's say he cameback against Ouma, who had been having issue's with guys on the level of Rubio, including being hurt and dropped and let's say Abraham KOed Ouma in 2 rounds(very likely honestly).

    People would just say 'Ouma should have never been in the ring with a big MW'. However, Jermain the disgrace Taylor lands everything but the kitchen sink and doesn't even drop the little man and Ouma is awarded by default the 'iron chin' award. ****ing terrible by the way.

    Next up we have Cory Spinks for the comebacking Abraham, let's say Abraham gets him in 4(very likely). Spinks is just a blown up Welter who had a glass chin at WW and was KOed by Zab Judah. However, to Jermain Taylor apologists, Spinks is a tricky masterful boxer who is able to present issue's to ANY big MW. Is this not what they have been going on about my friends in defence of Taylor?:think

    Now let's throw the last angle involved with using Abraham as the medium. Winky comes back down to 160 and gets KOed in round 8(again, likely at this point), Winky's just faded, past it and what not, yet Hopkins and Taylor are riding high on the win and the competitive draw and would continue to do so even when fans discredited Abraham's KO win.

    Abraham is not P4P after those 3 wins, of course.:yep

    Hell, Abraham's resume at MW right now easily rivals Taylor's on top of it, yet foolish boxing fans do not see this at all, they judge only on the names and not how fights were won and not by where the names are truly at.

    I cannot wait until Taylor is officially starched as you all know, but after Pavlik does it, he will be so massively overrated that it will rival some of the sickest hype trains in history, then Pavlik will get destroyed when he moves up in weight against some underrated SMW-LHW and people will act like they knew all along that Pavlik was limited and not set for P4P weight jumping, yet they'd have picked Pavlik to KO the SMW, let's say Lucian Bute.:lol:
     
  2. Lacyace

    Lacyace Forever Knight Full Member

    3,170
    3
    Nov 6, 2005
    Uh, Spinks and Ouma>>>>>Khoren Gevor. As a matter of fact, both Spinks AND Ouma would beat Gevor.
     
  3. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,055
    4
    Apr 30, 2006
    Nice post, just one slight problem...

    Spinks UD Abraham
    Abraham UD Ouma

    KO 2 and KO 4... :scaredas:

    We got it, you don't like Jermain Taylor... That's fair, cause I can admit I don't like the guy in your avator either.

    :good
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    At MW?

    Spinks and Ouma superior to Gevor at 160 pounds?

    :rofl
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    You think either of them last the distance with a real MW puncher? Both have been severely hurt at lower weight classes, against much smaller men.
     
  6. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

    7,839
    0
    Feb 8, 2007
    I think its clear that Abraham is working toward a shot at the winner of Taylor vs Pavlik and will likely get one.

    So cheer up mate, if Pavlik cant do it, AA will likely get his chance soon enough unless he loses:good
     
  7. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

    6,837
    2
    Oct 14, 2006
    I'd be surprised if Taylor can make a no. 9 spot at SMW. Taylor needs another gift decision vs overhyped Pavlik.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    I despise how because Spinks and Ouma are recognisable names, that struggling wins vs. both mean more than a struggling win vs. a true MW, who is really actually quite a skilled fighter, in Khoren Gevor I mean.

    Khoren Gevor would likely win 9 to 3 against Taylor, only to lose 115-113 on Chuck Giampa's scoredcard and the other two incompetant pieces of human garbage that sit at the judges stool.

    The point is that if you take the way fights were won into consideration, Abraham's resume easily rivals, or even defeats Taylor's. I presented some scenerio's and I also presented what would be the reaction to those scenerio's if they happened and I am at least correct on the reactions.

    The fact that ****ing Taylor recieves more credit for doing things lesser potentially than another, underrated MW, is disgusting.

    However, picking Spinks or Ouma over Gevor at 160 is the best entertainment in a while.:lol:
     
  9. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

    6,837
    2
    Oct 14, 2006
    :good - He should have gotten it before Pavlik though - but okay.
     
  10. Lacyace

    Lacyace Forever Knight Full Member

    3,170
    3
    Nov 6, 2005
    Sure would. Ouma, Spinks, Wright>>>>Miranda, Demers, Gevor.

    You must crack yourself up with those 'Gevor beats Taylor 9-3' jokes.
     
  11. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

    7,839
    0
    Feb 8, 2007

    I cant buy into his resume rivaling taylor's. Taylor has fought the toughest opposition in his last 5 + 1 fights in all of boxing.

    I do buy into Abraham's shot is coming. Whether its against taylor or Pavlik:good
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    That's the rumour. However much I rate Wright and Hopkins, I don't rate Spinks and Ouma at MW. And then it goes into how he won.

    Resume's are not just names, but how the win happened.
     
  13. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

    9,760
    8
    Aug 7, 2004
    Quite easily in fact....:think
     
  14. Lostmykeys

    Lostmykeys Active Member Full Member

    886
    1
    May 11, 2007
    LOL dude we get it, Taylor is a bum with no chin and will get startched by Pavlik despite being undefeated and holding his own against All time great fighters in Hopkins and Wright. :good
     
  15. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

    18,436
    20
    Jan 16, 2005
    You seriously think Spinks and Ouma are going to beat a skilled natural MW?