"Dear Tommy. Could you make the loser's end of the purse a little larger?"

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is a beauty and i've never heard it before. I'll rattle out some of the details to see if anyone can confirm or deny having heard it before. It comes from The Salt Lake Herald dated August 1909 so it's some 13 years after the Tommy Ryan-Kid Mcoy fight, with which it is concerned. The article is titled "Kid McCoy slips over a fine double cross when they first met in the ring."



    It begins by detailing McCoy's training with Fitzsimmons "the master", "down in Louisiana".

    With his active mind he was storing up pointers taken from Fitz's work with the gloves. On the quiet he practiced the way Bob hit, until he could snap over his hook in true Fitzsimmons style...but Fitz never handled his trainers very gently...after a while the Kid became tired of being punched. He knew quiet a little more tbout the game than when he started and was satified that Fitz had shown him everything. So off he went to tackle a new game...

    ...the Kid attatched himself to Tommy Ryan's training quarters and began sparring. Being of the conservative sort, McKoy did not show what he knew about the game and took a lot of pounding without murmuring. Ryan always liked to hammer his sparring partner and the Kid was a good mark. The Kid felt and resented it. Another thing he held against Tommy was the fact that while Ryan lived at a good hotel, he placed McCoy at a third rate boarding house.

    But the Kid dissembled his soreness and always ha a pleased and willing smile hen Ryan landed on his nose with a particularly vicious smash. In the same unruffled fashion heresigned hsi job when he felt sure he could learn nothing more.

    McCoy then arranged backing and challenged Tommy.

    Ryan smiled softly to hiself as he remembered the easy tie he'd had with his former sparring partner and counted up the easy money at 75% of the fight. Nevertheless, a prudent man, he began to train And here is where McCoy's trickery developed. He knew all about Ryan and Ryan knew all about him,but the Kid wanted to sinch matters absoltley. He sat down and wrote the following letter:

    "Dear Tommy: I worked up this match with you so we could both pick up a little easy coin. Of course you know how we box together and what you can do to me if you want to. I'd like to ask you a couple of favours. There's no need of you making a wreck of me in this fight. I want you to promise not to cut me to pieces. Then you know i'm pretty hard up. Couldn't you do me a favour of making the loser's end of the purse a little larger? On the level,I need the money. Yours truley, KID MCCOY."

    Ryan read the letter with a wrinkled brow and laughed. He generously agreed to make the losers end 35% and promptly dropped his hard training.

    On the night of the fight Tommy appeared in the ring a little fat and out of shape. He looked across the way rather dubiously as McCoy jumped into the ring in magnificent trim.

    The fight began. At once McCoy cut out the pace, using ring tactics that made Ryan's eyes pop...Ryan realised the trick n all its bare details. In his fury he went after McCoy and fought his level best...McCoy knew every move of Ryan's and besdes that had the trickery of Fitzsimmons at his command...at last, even Ryan's rage was beaten out of him...Ryan sank to defeat.



    This reeks of bull**** in it's narrative, but what about the detail? Could it be true? How much could be true? And how long was the Kid connected with Fitz, anyone know?

    Beautiful story, I sure hope it's true.
     
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  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Sounds amazing, you couldnt make that up.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don´t think the story it true but there is some truth in it.

    And it´s funny. :lol:
     
  5. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    I hope it is true lol
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    :huh Did he lose himself 10% or gain himself 40% ?
     
  7. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i've heard the tale of the double cross before (notably in the ring's write up of the 100 greatest punchers of all time, i belive in both mccoy and ryan's entries) but never in such details or artistry
     
  8. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Funny story. :lol:
    Maybe only partially true though, but I'm routing for it.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that McCoy did indeed trick Ryan.

    Bobby Dobbs used to send one of his sparring partners out drinking to impersonate him before a fight.
     
  10. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    great story. Dunno bout the authenticity of its entirety but ya know the old saying, 'Never let the facts get in the way of a good story'
     
  11. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Love the story. Would like to think its true but you never know.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is pretty amazing that this appears to have been the only time that Ryan was ever beaten at Welterweight! Also, Kid was a middleweight at the time, from what i recall. Tommy Ryan, is probably the most underated fighter today.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This fight was at the then middleweight limit of 154 rather than WW, BM.
     
  14. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    jeez, I read this title, and I thought it was directed towards me :lol::lol::lol:
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

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    Buffalo Express - 05 Mar 1896 (page 10)
    TOMMY RYAN EX-MIDDLEWEIGHT.
    After his defeat by McCoy, Tommy Ryan left the club-house of the Empire Athletic Club and went to New-York. There he spent the night in a Turkish bath. His appearance the next morning was somewhat improved, but still he showed the effects of his recent encounter.
    Ryan telegraphed ti a Syracuse paper that he had gone out of his class and was defeated, and that was all there was to his defeat. He said that owning to a sprained tendon in his left foot he was unable to jump about in the ring, as he is accustomed to do, but he does not lay his defeat to that fact.

    Buffalo Express - 06 Mar 1896 (page 10)
    RYAN BADLY BATTERED
    Syracuse, March 5,—Tommy Ryan reached Syracuse yesterday morning after his hard mill with McCoy before the Empire Athletic Club at Maspeth on Monday evening. He appears battered and bruised, but says he is still in the ring and will meet any man in the world at 145 pounds for a purse and the welter-weight championship.
    Ryan was accompanied yesterday by a large number of local sports, who went down to the fight. Among them was Charlie White, one of the best trainers in the country. He claimed that Ryan was not in a condition for the battle, that he was fat and muscles not hardened.
    The sympathy of the New-York sports was with Tommy/ No one lost much money on his defeat, because the backers of McCoy were shy about putting up the stuff. They would not put up money, even with the odds at 2 to 1 on Ryan. There was $5,000 taken in at the gate, one half of which goes to the club. Of the other half, 60 per cent. goes to McCoy and 40 per cent. to Ryan. Before the fight Ryan wanted the winner to have all the money, but McCoy refused to allow it. His share will be $800.