Death of the "TV Friendly" fighter :)

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  1. marzblkman

    marzblkman Active Member Full Member

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    Well well well. That makes four that is if you happen to count Ricky Hatton as a "TV friendly fighter" (which I don't because maybe those that do didn't see the Urango and Kostya fights), after all it was his snipe about being 'exciting' that lead to the fight where he too was owned.

    But I'm writing this on the heels of yesterdays destruction of Michael Katsidis by old man Casamayor. This term "TV FRIENDLY FIGHTER" pisses me off becuase do you realize that legends like Marvin Hagler, Lennox Lewis, Muhammad Ali in todays climate WOULDN'T be considered "TV FRIENDLY" merelyb ecaue they don't throw "punches in bunches" and deliver quick, early ko's?

    But I guess when you have a limited attention spanand you think MMA guys are the ultimate, this is why this climate takes place. Thus you have guys like Juan Diaz, the aforementioned Ricky Hatton, Paul Punished Williams and now Michael Katsidis being anointed when they've done very little to get that accliam.

    Maybe now people and TV networks will see theres much more to boxing than merely "SLUGGING"/"DUKING" it out. Thats why its called the sweet science. Theres multiple types of guys that encompass it. Sure I find fights like Vasquez and Marquez interesting and no, I don't rewind with compelling interest to every piece of a Cory Spinks fight,lol. But that doesn't mean that some tv network should be throwing down my throat what I should find interesting.

    That said, maybe now these guys will learn theres much more to boxing such as defense, footwork, positioning, timing and it gives them something to work on. You just can't be an aggressive bull (no pun Juan Diaz) and KEEP coming forward (Hi Ricky Hatton, Michael Katsidis) because you'll create yourself the momentum that'll get you KTFO (check hook, left hand). Perhaps these TV networks and their stupid commentators will also see the same and not inflate guys who's resumes aren't quite established yet..
     
  2. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was gonna post this exact thread, but you saved me the trouble. :good
     
  3. KnockOutNetwork

    KnockOutNetwork Member Full Member

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    Why is this the death of Michael Katsidis? Because he lost to a veteran fighter in his first real test?

    Don't be so harsh.

    Enjoy Katsidis for what he is ... because with his style, he won't be around long at all.

    And just because some people made him out to be other-worldly, form your own opinions.

    Me? I wasnt surprised at all. I predicted Casamayor on my show and I said that I wouldnt be shocked if he knocked him out.

    Katsidis was down hard early and then came back and, I felt, he won every round after the first.

    Man, he is fun to watch. I won't miss it if and when he gets back in there.

    Mike
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  4. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    tnx:good one of my thoughts exactly. agree with you 100%
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What a load of bollocks that post is.

    Are you actually serious in saying Hagler wouldn't be considered TV friendly? What? Watch his wars with Hearns or Mugabi. These were the definition of TV friendly. All "TV friendly" mean is that the fighter has an appealing style. Hagler certainly did. Ali had some tremendous fights too.

    You may be right in what you're actually saying, but the points you used to priove it are off-base by a mile.

    Just let it be. So some fight fans like guys who take 2 to land 1. Who gives a ****?
     
  6. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh Yea You Forgot About Cotto, Pacman,and Pavlik
     
  7. marzblkman

    marzblkman Active Member Full Member

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    Just as easily as you cherry picked two fights of Hagler, I could pick out others that weren't TV friendly. As far as who GIVES A ****, I DO now WHAT??? You're acting as if I said Hagler, Ali's, Lewis's entire careers weren't exciting and thats hadly what I said. Bottom line, they were boxers who could engage but who more often times than not didn't jump into their attack until later in the fight. Where as now, that would be too late for RATINGS for the the people with with 30 second attention spans that demand "catch punches with their face" action as you described..

    I don't need anyone to shove down my throat of what "I" should like. Just as you obviously lvoe these slugger types, I may not. Doesn't mean the non slugger, smarter boxer isn't entertaining.

    So you got something else to say??
     
  8. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Re: "TV-Friendly"

    John Ruiz is like U.S. analog TV in 2009... the screen goes black.
     
  9. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    The media and the avearge Joe want to see the power game..they are not into the beautiful intrinsic complication of the sweet science...but it also clear the contendeers from the pretenders...

    A true skillfull fighter is almost a lost art, with the excpetion of the new Mexican, Eastern Europeans and Puerto Rican fighters were the understanding of the sweet science is teach in the early development of the young fighters...

    Once again we see the importnace of the amateurs stage in professional boxing...the likes of the Nacho Berestain, Evangeslista Cotto, Enzo Calazaghe, the Mayweathers, are one of the few trainers that hisptoricall y have define the sweet science
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Hatton was never TV friendly his hold and hit style is one of the worst in the sport today.:deal
     
  11. marzblkman

    marzblkman Active Member Full Member

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    Great post..
     
  12. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe it's my love of the sport, but do you really have to be technically unsound to be "TV Friendly"?

    You are arguing that today's casual fan wouldn't be able to recognize the greatness of a fighter as polished (and gritty) as Ali or as gritty (and polished) as Hagler. I've got to disagree with that. The simple fact is, we don't have fighters of that caliber in the sport right now, and obviously not at heavyweight. Hopefully, we will again in the future.

    The bigger issue in any case is that the only time the casual fan tunes in these days is for vastly over-promoted "superfights" that WE all know ahead of time aren't going to be compellingly, heart-poundingly, viscerally dramatic. Then the fact that this casual viewer has wasted fifty dollars (or whatever he chipped in) turns him off of the sport, and he misses the bouts that ARE "TV Friendly", both in terms of skill and passion. The fights this spring have been a reminder that bouts like this do, in fact, still exist, and at a very high level too, not just on ESPN.

    The idea of the "TV fighter" isn't what sets the sport back. It's the inability and unwillingness of the powers that be to get the sport's best product into a cheap, easily found package, i.e. network or cable TV. Truth be told, Katsidis, who at this point in his career fits your definition of a TV fighter (he bleeds, is hittable, throws with abandon) made for a damned dramatic fight last night. Do you think the people at that casino won't want to ever go back to a fight? Do you think they wouldn't want to tune in their cable every Friday to watch a fight THAT interesting? Do you think they left with no appreciation for Casa's triumph of science over crudeness? Give them some credit man!

    The face first brawler is a crude, but necessary part of the game. If he didn't exist, who would there be for the sweet scientist to pick apart? The key is to do it in an exciting manner. I think people can still appreciate that when they see it. The trouble is, they don't see it very often. Part of this comes back to the fact that too many young fighters don't know how, and too many old fighters would rather get paid for risking less.
     
  13. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a good post. You do not see the depth of well-schooled fighters that you saw even in the 80's and 90's.

    Look at undercard bouts on ESPN 2. Most of these guys are club fighters or tomato cans.

    Even into the 90's ESPN and USA Network were putting on cards every single week with guys who actually learned their trade. You could have guys like Santos Cardona or Tony Martin, solid pros on undercard bouts.

    They weren't all championship level fighters, but the matches were of a much higher level than the fare we get televised now.
     
  14. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The most important part in being TV friendly is having heart.

    People love a true warrior. Something Wlad should take note of.
     
  15. Ghostface923

    Ghostface923 Active Member Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali wouldn't be considered "TV Friendly" WTF?