Debate over. Andre Ward is the greatest SMW ever, well clear of Calzaghe.

I don't think he's surpassed Joe C yet, but Ward is sure as hell ahead of the pace Calzaghe set. It won't be but another few fights before one can legitimately summise that Ward is a greater SprMW then Joe C.
That shows just how thin a resume Joe C actually had. Shame he allowed that talent to be wasted on WBO calibre ranked opponents.

 

Possible as well. Joe C could have hit America's shores anytime in his career. He chose to stay at home and make a ton of money off less then impressive string of challengers laid down by the WBO. Good for him, it's his life and career. And I think the usual ******s (AKA Failey and his alt/yes men asskissers) probably realize this, which is why they turn the knob to 11 when defending him. The exagerration by Failey, headgiver, and those that kiss their ass, is proof enough. One needn't exagerrate to the point of hyperbole if the accomplishments are legit and can stand on their own merit.

 

This post is laughable, on what grounds is James Toney equal to Calzaghe at 168?

 

you laugh, he slides. keep laughing as he slides, good luck with that over the years.


whats wrong with putting Toney equal to Calzaghe? Toney certainly had more skill. You are right if you just mean SMW legacy, Calzaghe did more in the minnow division.

 

They both amounted to the same thing, only Joe did it at the end of his career as champ, Ward did it at the beginning. Tell me which is greater, come on, dont fib.

the other side of these predictions is NOT THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT LACY WAS GREAT, but that people like toney underrated Calzaghe, thats why they thought he would get whitewashed - in fairness they were only going on the evidence available since Calzaghe had done **** all up to the Lacy fight to prove he could beat him.

Lets be honest, if some guy was beating pudwills and veits in his own comfort zone then of course theres the danger of severely under-rating him - you;d think he was a coward and shite.

 

Are you being serious?

How about you just list every fight that James Toney had at 168 and we'll analyse the calibre of that resume.

 

He had the skills to equal Cal, definitely, or beat him.

Not the legacy, my mistake on the count, sorry.

 

Your method of ATG rating is like saying you rank Roy Jones as equal to Ali in the heavyweight division.

 

I cant put Calzaghe ahead of RJJ, if thats what you are trying to push for.

No way, the vast difference in ability more than makes up for the length of reign, especially when we are asking who is the greatest SMW, not who had the longest rule.

Sorry if you see it different but you will have to keep bleating till you are red in the face, no way does Cal ever produce even near to the ability level that Jones did at SMW, thats a stone cold fact.

 

Well he had the super six to speed things up for him aswell as only signing up as long as he got all his fights in oakland( except the final which was still a small concession being it was still in america) Ward is American and fortunately gets noticed as America is where you have supposedly gotta get noticed.

But please accept that steve collins, Bernard Hopkins(2002), Echols, Taylor all backed out of fighting Calzaghe, and as for Ottke..... Also when joe reigned the weight class was still kinda young , now in this time of Ward, Froch etc its established.

Lets see Ward cross the sea and fight, then he`ll get alot more credit, because alot of critics will use the fact he`s stayed in oakland against him , just like others have used the same argument against Calzaghe

 

Ward is the better fighter and it isn't close. Bailey tried to put up his argument and it was nothing special.

If Joe thinks he is better then he should come out of retirement and fight him. Otherwise, Andre is already on pace to pass Joe in the next 24 months.