Debate over. Andre Ward is the greatest SMW ever, well clear of Calzaghe.

He's an absolutely fabulous fighter when held against others of his generation.He fought the perfect anti-southpaw fight last night and added another string to his wonderful neutralising bow.
I'm not a Calzaghe hater but I suspect Ward would have an excellent chance of beating him.
Who should he have fought that he hasn't already? The Romanian/French Canadian?
And I haven't voted for a good reason.

 

Ward did duck Bute terribly which in hindsight was a bad move

 

Calzaghe's only relevant 168 wins were Kessler, Lacy and maybe Reid (who arguably beat Calzaghe). Horrific resume considering how long he reigned.

Even Froch has a better record than that in 4 years. Bute, AA, Dirrell, Taylor, Pascal and Johnson > Kessler, Lacy, Reid and Mitchell. Plus Froch travelled for most of his big fights. Calzaghe was content to defend his paper belt in Wales against Tocker ****ing Pudwill. Disgraceful.

Don't even get me started on Ward vs Calzaghe resume.

 

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what a fantastic troll thread designed to make friends

answer these questions before you proceed
1. What top undefeated fighters has Ward beaten?
2. What undefeated world champs has Ward fought and beaten?
3. What fighters has Ward faced with over 20 world title fights?

Calzaghe beat Bika clearer than Ward. You forget that Calzaghe was an end of career SMW past prime when he was beating Kessler.
Big difference is Calzaghe beat undefeated prime Kessler. Ward just beat what Calzaghe left.
Froch is a slow past best SMW and not a better win than Mitchell.
What has Dawson done at SMW? Not even as much as many of the fighters Calzaghe beat. Still Dawson wasnt a better SMW than Woodhall a SMW title holder.

Add the other SMW title holders Calzaghe beat in Reid, Veit, Lacy and Brewer plus the top 10 SMWs Calzaghe beat, it is not close. Calzaghes resume is far greater.

Then jump in and add that Ward has no wins as good as Eubank at SMW before I even go on to bring in Calzaghes achievements at LHW.

Calzaghe has a far greater resume

It seems the S6 has fooled you like a child looking at a poster for a toy shop.
Wards S6 was -
a Calzaghe leftover in Kessler
A Green who wasnt even as good as Mkertchyan
Bika a Calzaghe leftover
Abraham who was 1-2 in his last 3 fights
Froch who had lost to Kessler, looked lucky to many against Dirrell and was coming off a MDec over a 43 year old SMW journeyman

Just looking at Calzaghes resume above and it shows that up

The belts ward has won are all belts that Calzaghe vacated at some point down the line.
Kessler was defending Calzaghes vacated WBA title, and Froch won the vacant WBC title to start with.

Yes ward unified earlier, because Reid wouldnt fight Calzaghe when WBC champ and due to a competition being made. As for the Ring belt. Calzaghe was the first SMW to hold that title and put it together so would have taken longer, but lets remember, Calzaghe beat the top people for that belt. the Ring put Froch above Kessler and moved him into #2 to make the belt happen. theres a difference.
Yes Ward would beat the other title holders, but lets not forget its a weaker era. Abraham just beat Steiglitz (debateable), who in the previous era was blasted out by Andrade who Kessler schooled

Think you forget that ward was blowing against slow, low workrate Froch and fading at the end or how Ward was being bust about by Bika in round 12.
Where as you forget to note a past prime Calzaghe showed Ward the way to beat Kessler and beat Bika easier than ward who was being bust about in the end.
I think Prime Calzaghe would easily handle Ward.

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joe calzaghe is The only one in history to become Undisputed super middleweight champion he has had 24 championship fights has 3 ATGs on his resume
Roy Jones Jr
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins

Beat 3 Undefeated Fighters who were or became SMW champions

mikkel kessler 40-0 world champion
Mario Veit 30-0
jeff lacy 21-0 world champion



joe calzaghe beat 10 world champions 9 of them smw (Veit had world interim title)

Chris Eubank, was a 2 weight champion and had 24 world tltle fights

Richie Woodhall had 6 world tltle fights

Roy Jones Jr was a 4 weight champion and had 25 world tltle fights

Charles Brewer had 7 world tltle fights

Bernard Hopkins, arguably the best middleweight of all time he has 25 world tltle fights

Mikkel Kessler, has 11 world tltle fights 3 x world champion

Robin Reid had 8 world tltle fights looked unlucky to Ottke by many

Byron Mitchell had 8 world tltle fights 2 x smw champion looked unlucky to Ottke by many

Jeff Lacy had 6 world tltle fights

when has Ward beat someone with over 20 championship fights?......

calzaghe beat 3 guy with over 24 championship fights

NAME 1 ATG Ward FOUGHT?........

JOE CALZAGHE IS 1 OUT OF ONLY 3 BOXERS IN HISTORY TO BE UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPION


JOE CALZAGHE IS 1 OUT OF 4 MEN IN HISTORY TO HAVE OVER 20 TITLE DEFENCES

JOE CALZAGHE IS THE SECOND LONGEST-REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION IN HISTORY?.....


WHEN Andre Wards RESUME MATCH THAT LET ME KNOW

 

Neither one beats a prime roy jones... nope. And im a huge ward fan. Maybe Ward beats him... maybe lol.

 

Shows how little you know.
How is Bute better than Mitchell? Who did Bute beat as good as Liles? Nobody.
What fighter did Bute beat who went on to become a SMW world champ? None, yet Mitchell beat Siaca and looked unfortunate to many against Ottke

Johnson at SMW lost more than he won and was a terrible SMW, he was a 43 year old SMW journeyman. Calzaghe was beating fighters at SMW that beat Johnson

What did Pascal do at SMW? Nothing

Pudwill was a late sub for T Tate who pulled out.

What has Dirrell done at SMW? Less than Mkertchyan

None of these fighters have a fighter as good as Eubank on their resume.

 

Jones Jr is easily the best ever at the weight. Ward probably has the best resume, although I'm not giving him that much credit for draining Dawson. Still Calzaghe's promoter drained an older Eubank the same way pretty much

 

Eubank was a former MW and SMW champ who could still make the weight. Even now when not in full training all these years later, Eubank is weighing at LHW. Get your facts right

 

Considering you only follow the 168 division and nothing else, you really know **** all about it.

Ward and Froch > Calzaghe in terms of 168 record. Get over it.

 

So you say I only follow that division, and then say I dont know about it. Lol
Explain how
Wards best win is Kessler who Calzaghe beat when undefeated and Froch lost to Kessler

Pascal did nothing at SMW
Taylor was 1-2 in his last 3 fights and did nothing at SMW
Dirrell has done nothing at SMW
Abraham debateably beat Steiglitz, who not many rated and who was blasted out years previously by Andrade to show how weak the era is now, other than that AA has done nothing at SMW
Johnson is something like 6-8 at SMW and done nothing at the weight
Bute who did he beat because many think he lost to Andrade

Now answer below


joe calzaghe is The only one in history to become Undisputed super middleweight champion he has had 24 championship fights has 3 ATGs on his resume
Roy Jones Jr
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins

Beat 3 Undefeated Fighters who were or became SMW champions

mikkel kessler 40-0 world champion
Mario Veit 30-0
jeff lacy 21-0 world champion



joe calzaghe beat 10 world champions 9 of them smw (Veit had world interim title)

Chris Eubank, was a 2 weight champion and had 24 world tltle fights

Richie Woodhall had 6 world tltle fights

Roy Jones Jr was a 4 weight champion and had 25 world tltle fights

Charles Brewer had 7 world tltle fights

Bernard Hopkins, arguably the best middleweight of all time he has 25 world tltle fights

Mikkel Kessler, has 11 world tltle fights 3 x world champion

Robin Reid had 8 world tltle fights looked unlucky to Ottke by many

Byron Mitchell had 8 world tltle fights 2 x smw champion looked unlucky to Ottke by many

Jeff Lacy had 6 world tltle fights

when has Ward/Froch beat someone with over 20 championship fights?......

calzaghe beat 3 guy with over 24 championship fights

NAME 1 ATG Ward FOUGHT?........

JOE CALZAGHE IS 1 OUT OF ONLY 3 BOXERS IN HISTORY TO BE UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPION


JOE CALZAGHE IS 1 OUT OF 4 MEN IN HISTORY TO HAVE OVER 20 TITLE DEFENCES

JOE CALZAGHE IS THE SECOND LONGEST-REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION IN HISTORY?.....


WHEN Andre Wards/Carl Frochs RESUME MATCH THAT LET ME KNOW

 

****ing cant believe Ward doesnt get pulled up for being a dirty bastartd fighter, he loves a hug every chance he gets holding arms, nestling in with nut... I would put my money on Joe.C you americans love to slag him off even thoe joe.c unified the division then stepped up and become a world champion at Light heavy....

I just cant believe that Ward never went up a weight decided to fight a weight drain Dawson. Anyone who says Dawson wasnt weight drained is a ****ing liar...

 

Ward is only haly way there and is already far better than Calzaghe.

 

I agree
h2h Jones is no 1, but in terms of accomplishments Ward is no 1