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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IceJohnScully, May 20, 2008.


  1. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    What are your thoughts on the current state of boxing?

    ICE: It's hard to say. I mean, it isn't exactly one of the Golden Era's of boxing right now but there are some very god fighters and very good potential fights to be made with them. I think one big thing that needs to be rectified is the way in which boxing is promoted. I think it has lost something in the media and because of that the great potential fights, like Cotto and Mayweather, are taking too long to make. There is no public outcry for them to fight because nobody knows them. Back in the early 1980's the result of Holmes-Cooney, Leonard-Hearns, Leonard-Duran and Ali-Holmes were on page 1 of the newspaper. Not just the Sports section, but the front page of the actual newspaper. Now, in 2008, Floyd versus Cotto might not even make your local paper anywhere.
     
  2. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Mass Debate? I think its getting healthier, but we need to see these big fights, Cotto v Mayweather bein the prime example. But theres always gonna be some who hark back to the 'good ole days' regardless.
     
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Boxing will never get back to the 'good old days' while it has all these champs. Its hard enough for the hardcore fans to follow let alone the casual sports fan (who are the guys boxing must attract).
     
  4. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It seems like Boxing gets a step forward then a step back.

    It lacks the mass media exposure needed to get things going again...not to mention it needs to let the fans pick the stars instead of forcing the stars on the fans.
     
  5. McGrain

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    I think it IS a golden era. Boxing just had it's most prophitable year ever, and it's just capped of the finest trilogy of fights between two fighters ever seen, in my view. I mean, it has competitoin, but for me Vasquez-Marquez is the best trilogy ever commited to film.

    The Marquez-Pacuqioa rivalry has been amazing also. We can look back on these two rivalries and say we were lucky to be alive when they were being decided (if you consider JMM-Pac decided that is...). OK, the HW's are disgusting but Haye looks interesting and so does Povetkin, plus in Klitschko we have a very fine champ who just hasn't stepped up yet...

    In Money Mayweather we have an infuriating but gifted p4p #1 who undoundtedly resides in the top 50 of all time p4p (Jones is the other active fighter for whom this is true). He has Pacquiao breathing down his neck for that #1 spot, and the heat is being turned up on him by the two biggest rivals in his current weight class about to duke it out for arguably the #1 spot in the Welterweight division - that's got to chaffe the sportsman in the world's greatest fighter.

    Plenty of prospects are milling about, and if the Forum Jockies are hard on them, so what? One or two may one day be keeping Sugar Ray Robinson, Sam Langford, Harry Greb and Henry Armstrong company, no-one can say until the bell has rung.

    Boxing is in great shape, I know because it's still the best sport in the world by three ****ing country miles.
     
  6. TFFP

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    Call me selfish, but I enjoy boxing being a niche sport. If it became popular again, it would almost feel like that song you unearthed ages ago, that suddenly hits the charts and every zit ridden teenage douchebag has it on their iPod

    If I want to talk sport at the bar with my mates, I'll talk football. It's enough to have a few mainstream boxers, like Khan, Hatton, Mayweather and De La Hoya
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For me, I just don't give a ****. I dont' care if boxing is in the frigging newspaper. I care about the fights and the fighters, that's it.

    And didn't we just have 50 some thousand watching Calzaghe-Kessler 8 months ago?
     
  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Where popularity is concerned this isn't a golden era, non-boxing fans very rarely talk about upcoming fights or potential match-ups. If you are fine with that then good, I'd prefer otherwise though.
     
  9. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    From a media perspective, Boxing has regressed in a sense, its not like the days of Sugar Ray and Ali or Tyson. But like McGrain said, why should we give a ****, its the boxers and their legacies im interested in, not how many of the average joes in the street know about Gamboa's next bout, or what they think of the state of the HW division. In a perfect world, everyone on the street would be talking about cotto v Margo etc but that aint happening, and it will take a superstar to change it, or at least a massive effort by the people concerned to promote boxing (More terrestrial tv boxing please???)

    From the perspective of mathmaking etc I think we have seen some great fights over the last 2 years, but that being said, we have also been denied, for whatever reason, some good matchups. Blame Promoters, TV companies, the fighters, whatever, it does sometimes feel like we are getting shafted. Plus, I hate it when one of the so called biggest stars in the fight game, fights but once or twice a year! 3 minumum for me.

    Despite all the ****, which you get with all sports, I think boxing is healthy, its not perfect, but what sport is?? The great thing with boxing, is that there is usually another bout just round the corner, and more often than not, its a good one, expected or surprisingly, so for me, Im just looking forward to the next bout!
     
  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Maybe these big fights would come off with more frequency if there was more general interest in them?
     
  11. sk3000

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    i believe boxing should make a distinction on which sanctioning body holds the most weight.They should eliminate the fact that all belts are perceived equal makes us view fighters as greater than they are. what the main media could do is .post a universally recognized top 100 of each weight class in the back of the paper. This would add to name recognition long before guys are prospects. and we can see the ranks of all fighters .the champ would have more pressure to fight legitimate number 1 contender
     
  12. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    not as bad as people make it out to be imo. sure it's gone down a lot in terms of mainstream media coverage, but there is still a very solid following. the internet has been such a boost for the sport. also as long as we still have fighters who operate at high levels, thats enough for me.
     
  13. slaughter

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    Boxing doesn't have the same number of quality athletes that all other pro sports do. As a matter of fact, they have nowhere near. It doesn't get exposed to the public, and when it does, the public could care less. There is no qualifications to be a pro boxer, so anyone willing can become one. Anyone that is a pro can also be interviewed, write a story, whatever...and the same old people read it and see it. It means nothing. If The Sporting News, TIME Magazine, or one of those publications were writing it, different story. They're not though.
    Pugilistic dementia happens in different ways. It's not always slurring speach or shaking. Sometimes people get dillusional.
     
  14. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    When I was a kid I watched tons of fights Leonard-Benitez, Sanchez-Nelson, Starling-Curry 1 and 2, Mancini-Arguello, Hearns-Minchillo, Arguello-Costello, etc etc .... and each one of those fights I watched on TV for free (network TV on a Saturday afternoon!!) THAT. the fact that BIG fights are shown for free to millions of people each week, is one of the major reasons why boxing is NOT in a golden era right now
     
  15. IceJohnScully

    IceJohnScully Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, but for the most part the ones who turn pro with no qualifications dont get exposed to the public.