Debunking the myth: RJJ never took PED's

Rico Spadafora · Dec 4, 2014

Mind Reader said: ↑

You must have me mistaken with someone else.. Roy lost close to 10 lbs of muscle for Tarver.
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He also got his Glass Jaw shattered to smithereens. Roy has no Chin. None.

Mind Reader · Dec 4, 2014

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

He also got his Glass Jaw shattered to smithereens. Roy has no Chin. None.
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Wrong again... He beat Tarver when he lost the 10 lbs of muscle... He also took many hard shots in that fight without going down.

Peppermint · Dec 4, 2014

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

He also got his Glass Jaw shattered to smithereens. Roy has no Chin. None.
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You wouldn't last a round with any of the guys that stopped an ageing RJJ. He was hit with some good shots by Toney, Castro, McCallum, etc and was never moved in his prime.

Mind Reader · Dec 4, 2014

Loudon said: ↑

DryIrishStump,

This is in reply to John Hively's article that you have uploaded.

This guy's entitled to his opinion, like everyone else.

But here are a few points to consider.

1. Roy didn't weigh in for the Ruiz fight, five months after scaling 175. His fight with Clinton Woods, was on the 7th of September, 2002. His fight against Ruiz, was on the 1st of March, 2003. That's almost a 6 month period. Also, 175 was the weigh in weight. His actual fight night weight, I believe was 182 for Woods.

Mackie Shillstone says that when Roy joined him in camp for the Ruiz fight, he was already 192 with 8.7 percent body fat. During camp, Mackie changed his body fat to 6%. If you watch the documentary - The Sweet Science, that covers Roy in the build up to the fight, the official weight wasn't calibrated properly. Marc Ratner admitted he'd made a mistake, and he weighed Roy again, just before the fight. The balance beam scales read 199, but he was 196, if you allowed three pounds for his clothing.

So from weighing 182 in September 02, to weighing 196 in March 03, that's a difference of 14 pounds, in almost a 6 month period.

2. He claims that Roy had 8 months to shed the Ruiz weight. But according to Roy's trainer Alton Merkerson, Roy kept his physique, in the hope of landing other HW fights. From book excerpts and links that I've read, a Holyfield fight was almost made in June 03, before Holyfield opted to fight James Toney instead, due to him being unhappy with Don King. Then two months later in August, a deal to fight Corrie Sanders was in place, until Roy went back and asked for extra money. Roy also met Mike Tyson in Miami, to discuss a potential fight. In the end, he couldn't get the big money HW fight he wanted, so the Tarver fight was signed in September 03. So it appears that Roy didn't have 8 months to lose the weight.

Also, Mackie Shilstone told Roy not to take the Tarver fight, and told him to stay at HW. In Mackie's opinion, burning muscle can effect a persons immune system.

3. I find it ridiculous where he's asked the questions - "Was it steroids that broke Hill's ribs?" "Was it steroids that enabled Roy to drop Reggie Johnson?" Who is this guy? Richard Hall tested TEN times over the level of acceptance, yet suffered an absolute beating at the hands of Roy. Yet Hall would then go on to fight Dariusz M twice, causing him problems. The writer also states that punching with steroids in the system is like wearing a loaded glove, and a fighters speed can also be artificially enhanced. He also states that a fighters reflexes can be effected in a positive way, and that taking steroids is the equivalent of wearing face and body armour. Is this guy for real?

4. The writer then questions why Roy looked so listless against Glen Johnson. Yet doesn't take into account, that Roy had jumped back into the ring just months after his devastating knockout to Tarver. According to Alton Metkerson and Roy's father, Roy had just gone through the motions in training, and it appeared that he just wanted to fight ASAP to eradicate the loss. Antonio Tarver also gave his opinion, saying that he thought Roy had jumped back into the ring too soon. Also, according to Roy, the ringside doctor said that he was severley dehydrated, and that's why he was out cold for as long as he was after Johnson had dropped him.

5. The writer also questions why Roy had ran for his life in the third fight with Tarver, and why he'd lost all of his attributes? Yet he doesn't take into account, that Roy had suffered two devastating knockouts, he'd been out of the ring for more than a year, and he was approaching his 37th birthday. In 2003, Buddy McGuirt admitted that he thought Roy was on the slide, and in 2004, so did Alton Merkerson and Stanley Levin.

So this writer clearly hasn't taken into account, the following things:

Roy's style of fighting.

His attributes that he showed when he was younger.

His age.

The number of fights he'd had.

The effects of the weight loss.

His mental state after two devastating defeats.

The guy seems completely biased, implying that Roy was on steroids up to the Ruiz fight, and then all of sudden, he was getting beat. He's also, as noted, written things that are incorrect, and his style of writing, doesn't appear like he was trying to be objective in any way.

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Those articles were so anti Roy it is amazing..

There was tons speculation in it too, that he desperately tried presenting as facts, while getting much wrong about what actually happened and what Roy weighed in the time frames as you pointed out..

Why didn't Roy break Tarver's nose or ribs??? I can assure you he tried all in his power to break Tarver's ribs... Those body shots were nasty, and were what kept Tarver off of him... Also, whenever Roy let his hands go, Tarver was a deer in headlights.... The writer was acting as if Roy didn't have speed or power anymore.. It is ****...

Anyone can write anything, this was just another Roy hater with an opinion.

plank46 · Dec 4, 2014

Peppermint said: ↑

He got "busted" ONCE for taking Ripped Fuel, which only cuts your body up faster. It is a fat burner. It does not enhance abilities or build muscle. It is not a steroid of any kind. This stuff was sold at local 7-Elevens's and other convenience stores. Walgreens still sells it, and it is still over the counter. It amazes me how so many so called fans fabricate stories and paint some athletes as scheming drug cheats, when that is not the case.
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lance armstrong never got caught either. with much more stringent testing. every pro athlete is on some form of ped, end of story.

bodyopus · Dec 5, 2014

divac said: ↑

If this were the case, I'm sure you can find us a credible link that would explain this.
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https://www.snac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/the-nandrolone-defense.pdf

Read: Is it easy to contaminate a supplement?

bodyopus · Dec 5, 2014

DryIrishStump said: ↑

Andro was IN Ripped Fuel you idiot
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Andro wasn't in Ripped Fuel. It had Ma*Huang(Ephedra), Guarana seed(Caffeine), Chromium, L-Carnitine.

I believe later there was a version called Andro Ripped Fuel which added andro(It's been a long time, can't remember). I know there was also a NorAndro Ripped Fuel that added Norandrostenedione

Imperial1 · Dec 5, 2014

Mind Reader said: ↑

Those articles were so anti Roy it is amazing..

There was tons speculation in it too, that he desperately tried presenting as facts, while getting much wrong about what actually happened and what Roy weighed in the time frames as you pointed out..

Why didn't Roy break Tarver's nose or ribs??? I can assure you he tried all in his power to break Tarver's ribs... Those body shots were nasty, and were what kept Tarver off of him... Also, whenever Roy let his hands go, Tarver was a deer in headlights.... The writer was acting as if Roy didn't have speed or power anymore.. It is ****...

Anyone can write anything, this was just another Roy hater with an opinion.
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Guy also,probably never boxed a day in his life with some the stupid questions he came up with ..

Loudon · Dec 5, 2014

Mind Reader said: ↑

Those articles were so anti Roy it is amazing..

There was tons speculation in it too, that he desperately tried presenting as facts, while getting much wrong about what actually happened and what Roy weighed in the time frames as you pointed out..

Why didn't Roy break Tarver's nose or ribs??? I can assure you he tried all in his power to break Tarver's ribs... Those body shots were nasty, and were what kept Tarver off of him... Also, whenever Roy let his hands go, Tarver was a deer in headlights.... The writer was acting as if Roy didn't have speed or power anymore.. It is ****...

Anyone can write anything, this was just another Roy hater with an opinion.
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I agree entirely.

He wasn't being objective in anyway.

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Loudon · Dec 5, 2014

DryIrishStump said: ↑

Roy was on steroids. It's a fact. A hidden fact, but a fact nonetheless.
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Is that all you've got to say in response?

Loudon · Dec 5, 2014

Imperial1 said: ↑

Guy also,probably never boxed a day in his life with some the stupid questions he came up with ..
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Ha!

Roy'ds improve speed, power and reflexes, and it's akin to wearing face and body armour.

Big Roy must have been giving them to Roy for breakfast, when he was younger.

Bollywooden · Dec 5, 2014

Loudon said: ↑

Ha!

Roy'ds improve speed, power and reflexes, and it's akin to wearing face and body armour.

Big Roy must have been giving them to Roy for breakfast, when he was younger.
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All those big name US fighters were juiced through the 90s. Holyfield, Tyson, Mosley, Toney, Jones Jr., Vargas etc.

Loudon · Dec 5, 2014

Bollywooden said: ↑

All those big name US fighters were juiced through the 90s. Holyfield, Tyson, Mosley, Toney, Jones Jr., Vargas etc.
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Possibly, but go and read the article in post number 33.

Gneus7 · Dec 5, 2014

Myth not debunked then.

Matt in a hat · Dec 5, 2014

DryIrishStump said: ↑

It used to be
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Nope I used to be one off those silly supplement nerds that researched the lable ingredients back in the 90s. Ripped fuel and hydroxycut were basically the same product if you want something to compare with.

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