Decade vs Decade Tournament. Match 1 1970s vs 1940s

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    By the way, i will put up match 2 in the next day or so, so if anyone wants to nominate a decade to challenge Burts 20s team, first in gets the job.
     
  2. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have NO idea what Joe Louis was in his prime..No idea, to say that Ali would have beaten Joe Louis ,and"it would not have been close", is laughable, and not to be taken seriously...Too many modern fans have given god like qualities to Ali for reasons that escapes me...The joe Louis of the Max Baer fight ,woulkd have caught up to Ali's showboating sooner or later with powerful laser like punching that Ali never experienced before,and flattened Ali certainly...What opponent of Ali's could throw such triple left hooks,powerful right crosses,with blinding speed as young Joe Louis threw in his prime ? ANSWER NONE...Ali had trouble with smaller fighters with left jabs as Doug Jones, Ken Norton , Jimmy Young,etc. Louis had a powerful jab ,and accurate ,exploding in his face, similiar to what Ken Norton .,,Foreman, Liston punched hard ,but never withe the speed and leverage as a prime Joe Louis did...If a young Ali was almost kayoed by a journeyman Henry Cooper, think of the young coil spring unwinding punching Louis of the Max Baer fight would have done to Ali?
    Remember Louis's famous admonition, "He can run, but he can't hide ".
    And so with Ali..The young explosive Louis ko' any version of Ali, methinks...
     
  3. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Last chance for someone to nominate a challenger for Burt's 20s team. I am starting match 2 in the next 5 mins or so. If no one nominates, i will take the era use the era mentioned in the last post before i do the posting.
     
  4. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "for the 70s to pull a swifty, and send in big George in for the kill against Louis, or even FOTC Frazier."

    If I were managing the forties, I would hope you would pull your "swifty". I think Louis is a better bet against either Foreman or Frazier than he is against even the 70's Ali.
     
  5. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is how this match is going so far (it is a hell of a lot harder to count these things up, than it looks).

    Heavy: Ali 9-2 Ali: Ali looks to have this fight won, but Louis does have a good case and some strong supporters who may still swing thing his way.

    Light heavy: Charles 2-3: Ezzard Charles seems to be the popular choice to step up to the plate at light heavy, and he holds a slight lead in a fight that could go either way, and the 30s will need to win it, to stay in this match up.

    Middle: Monzon 5-0 - No one seems to have been able to put up a challenge against Monzon who is like a rock and realistically should cruise to victory.

    Welter: 0-3 Robinson 5-0 - Robinson is also dominant. He looks as unbeatable as Monzon does.

    Light: 4-1 Despite some early troubles, Duran looks to be coming good in this one.

    Feather: 0-5 Willie Pep is building up a dominant lead.

    Bantamweight: 4-0 Olivares is looking good at Bantamweight. But i do think that lack of knowledge may play a big part in the bottom two fights. I am not sure but there are some good knowledgeable posters on this subject who may find some little guys or facts that could potentially stir the pot a bit.

    Flyweight: Canto 0-3 - As above, Canto is looking good, but it isnt totally out of the question for the 40s to turn things around.

    The current score is 40s 3 - 70s 5.

    If the 40s are going to win, it looks like they will either need a huge Joe Louis come from behind victory or turnaround from one of their lighter bantams or flyweights.
     
  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This match will end in the next couple of days. It looks like the 30s are in big trouble, I cant see how they can come back, unless the Joe Louis fans start to get behind their fighter.
     
  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very impressive resume Teeto. Would n't disagree with any of the choices.
     
  8. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah, Burley-Monzon would be so interesting. Hard to imagine someone outdoing him shot for shot on the outside. But maybe Burley would be able to take a good luck at his man at that range and pick his targets? I agree with you ultimately though, i'd have to lean towards Monzon.
     
  9. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Thanks Stevie.
     
  10. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Talking shite. Up at the count of 4, then stopping your opponent the next round isn't 'almost kayoed'.
     
  11. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My picks are 70s Ali - SD Louis lands big and often, but Ali builds up an early lead and simply hangs on. Louis is stunned at just how much punishment Ali will soak up and still come back with his own offence.



    Ezzard Charles - Too good for Foster. He knocks him out in the 10th

    Middle: Monzon - I agree with everyone else. No matter how many good fighters there are to put up against Monzon, each one loses.

    Welter: Robinson - Sugar Ray is, imo, a smidgeon overated nowadays. But he is still sugar Ray.

    Light: Duran, is one of the best ever at lightweight, i think he takes this.

    Feather: 0-5 Willie Pep is building up a dominant lead. I agree with the willie pep fans. Willie pep is better than anything in the 70s.

    Bantamweight: Manuel Ortiz held the bantamweight total for a total of about 10 years, and he could do anything. Olivaries was a great champion but not as dominant as Manuel. i think that Ortiz wins by Unanimous decision. It is a shame this thread is coming to a close, because i think ortiz was capable of winning this matchup.

    Flyweight: UD Canto This is a tough fight Jack Paterson was the bigger puncher, but Canto a great boxer, i think Canto just shades the fight

    This round is almost as good as over, i will be finalising scores, as soon as i make my predictions on the other thread. So Far 70s will go through, unless Manuel Ortiz finds some late supporters.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Joe Louis KOs a 1970s Ali
     
  13. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Final Score
    Heavy Ali 10 - Louis 3 - Winner Ali - 70s
    Light HEavy - Ezzard Chares 4 D Bob Foster 2 - 40s
    Middleweight - Carlos Monzon d Various opponents 0 - 70s
    Welterweight - Ray Robinson 4 d Ray Leonard 0 - 40s.
    Lightweight - Roberto Duran 5 d Ike Williams 1 - 70s
    Featherweight Willie Pep 6 d Eder Joffre 0 - 40s
    Bantamweight Olivares d Manuel Ortis 4-1 70s
    Flyweight Miguel Canto d Jacky Paterson 4-0 70s

    Winner: 70s 5-3

    The 1970s make it through to the second round.