Decision very questionable, but credit to Canelo

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  1. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep. It's a good comparison.

    I would have to watch it again, but I think Hagler-Leonard was closer than this fight. Maybe not on the cards, but in the ring.
     
  2. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed.

    Canelo deserves credit, even if you think he lost the fight.

    He stayed on this toes, and he lasted the fight. He fought a smart fight, his conditioning held up, he had a clear gameplan.

    Props.
     
  3. Villain

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    I'll say this much. Canelo is a great fighter in short bursts. If he could sustain his attacks more than 45 sec - 1 minute of each round he would be unbeatable. I also did not like how GGG looked overall tonight. Early on he looked completely out of sorts. He was giving Canelo Jacobs and Lemieux type of respect which I think was a mistake. And even when he was rolling the majority of the rounds and piling up points he could not land many perfectly clean shots which resulted in his power being muted. I'll give a lot of credit to Canelo's defense which we know is improved, but some of that I also think was GGG not at his best.
     
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  4. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo answered the biggest question about his game with his conditioning tonight. I was impressed.
     
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    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was really impressed with his conditioning. He was in peak form. I thought he would fade hard, but it never happened. He tired, but didn't just fall off a cliff. If he had, he would have likely been stopped.
     
  6. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree and very well said.

    As Rummy said, I think GGG was nervous early. And yes, he did seem to give Canelo too much respect.

    I can't recall any shots landing on him this fight that were even on the level of the Brook uppercut. That is, I don't think Canelo's power really phased him. But he fought like he was concerned about it for the first few rounds.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I was personally more impressed with his durability than his conditioning. Canelo's good at finding a 2nd wind, and he can always surprise you with some sneaky counters. But I thought his conditioning/stamina hurt him for long stretches.
     
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  8. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know if that was stamina or tendency. Canelo has always stepped back and posed in his fights. His chin though was never in question for me. I've always thought it was rock solid. But both fighters chin was tested more in this fight than ever before. I've always thought that it's one thing to take punch early in a fight but if you can take an onslaught late in a fight while exhausted against a big puncher then you've got some real granite. Both fighters took big shots late in this fight.
     
  9. Drew101

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    I had tonight's fight 8-4 for GGG, with a couple of rounds that could go for Canelo, at a stretch. I scored Hagler-Leonard 7-5 Hagler last time I watched it, but I do think it could swing to a SRL win. So, in that regard, yeah, that fight was closer than tonight's contest. Similar dynamic, though.
     
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  10. Manfred

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    I tried to look at this fight from other peoples perspective but I can't and will not reject the evidence of my own mind. Canelo lost that fight regardless of his flashes of activity. The totality of GGG's work far out shined his. When have you ever heard a pro Canelo crowd boo him. They know he lost too. This was nothing but a statement from the powers that be in boxing saying we want to get deeper into your pockets. Take this draw and come see us again. They won't see me digging in my pockets to watch a rematch. Those cards were way out of spec. I hate the conspiracy angle but it looks like the crap was all in on this one.
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good stuff man.

    I recall watching Hagler-Leonard when it took place. I think I was rooting for Hagler, but I don't remember now.

    I do remember how controversial the decision was.
     
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  12. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very much agree.

    I don't know if it's any kind of planned conspiracy. It's just a combination of factors:

    * cash cow fighter
    * 'hometown' crowd
    * 'home' judges
    * sport with judging aspect

    People knew this could happen coming into the fight. Articles were written about it, I believe.

    Basically, whatever could reasonably (or unreasonably, in Byrd's case) go Canelo's way was going to go his way if the fight went the distance. We've seen other instances of this in recent bouts, and I think a lot of people expected a similar occurrence tonight.

    It is a shame. Someone wants to give Canelo a card? Ok. But GGG should have won the bout. To be fair, we were only 1 round away from that outcome on the deciding judge's card. On the other hand, we were also one round away from Canelo being awarded the bout.
     
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  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i got to give it to the mexican boxing fans, the real fans not fanboys, they usually let you know who won. i was at the chavez-whitaker fight which was mostly mexican fans, and they booed the decision. they said pea ran too much but they admitted he won.
     
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  14. Manfred

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    Hagler and Hearns decision was not at all controversial.
     
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    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks, I'll change that to Hagler/Leonard