Deepest Resumes?

Lay Robinson's resume down for me as I have done Greb's. I will give you time if need be. And which of Robinson's wins outdo Greb's wins over Tunney?

 

well he went 5-1 against the bigger lamotta. Greb went 1-3-1 against the bigger tunney.

Kid Gavilan is greater than almost everybody greb beat. Yeah beating him is better than greb beating the smaller walker.

Hnery armstrong was past it, but still a bigger legend.

As t booze said before, newspaper decisions are not wins. I could go make one in the local newspapers.

 

Its going to take me hours to sit down and critically analyze both of thier resumes, i will do it some other day.

 

I dont.
Dempsey was a great great fighter. The revisionism and lack of understanding on Dempsey is getting out-of-hand.

It's absolutely fine to rank those others you mention over him, but I dont see any outrage in him being ranked higher than all of them.

 

they have much better resumes than jack dempsey. I agree with him on that point.

Tyson's resume is better than dempseys, and if you want to argue that, i will have a fun time doing it.

 

I consider them wins. Nowadays had those fights happened there would be no Newspaper decisions, there would be wins or losses. The way they did things back then in terms of the way they judged fights shouldn't be counted against the fighter.

Most think Greb won at least 2 over Tunney, and no way in hell Robinson's wins over the limted, heavier but shorter LaMotta are better than a Greb win over Tunney. Regardless of LaMotta being bigger than Robinson and Tunney being bigger than Greb, you have to take into account the quality of the fighter. No way was LaMotta in Tunney's league.

And I am not so sure beating Gavilan is better than beating Walker. Walker was a fine WW and MW, and fought up to HW. In fact, he was easily as good or better a win than Gavilan.

And yeah, Armstrong was pretty much shot. I could name a few wins on Greb's resume better than that given the circumstances. Loughran for instance.

 

Emile Griffith has a deep rez.

 

tyson #72, dempsey#15, that has always puzzled me.

You would think beating an old holmes is a hella of lot better than beating an old ass willard. Michael spinks is probably greater head to head and p4p, than anyone dempsey ever beat like gibbons and carpentier.

Most of dempseys opponents were 190lbs and under. Tyson beat real heavyweights like bruno, thomas, berbick, ruddock, tucker, williams, tubbs, bonecrusher, botha, seldon and golota. Please, his resume is vastly superior and on film, tyson is miles ahead of jack overrated dempsey.

 

Works both ways though. Greb could have made some wagers against himself and gone through the motions getting slapped around by Maxie to increase his pay.

I think it's too convenient to dismss the vast array of Greb wins with such an answer. Sure, it might have happened to some degree, but it applies to everyone of that era and Greb still trumps them all.

 

What's the point? I've heard it all before.
I'd rather spend my time reading real knowledge and researching the real history, finding out what Arcel, Igoe, Stillman etc. had to say about fighters of the era, than read the same predictable and poorly-researched perceptions of what those fighters were all about.

 

If we're talking ratio of great or very good fighters to total number of fights, then Jim Jeffries deserves a mention.

 

I was drinking, as usual, and did not pay attention to all the words that were in front of me at the time. Now I have to get my calculator, and another beer.

 

Archie Moor easily. Sugar Ray Robinson's doesnt compare to the ole mongoose because he never faced any members of the black murders row like moore did.

 

Ezzard Charles's resume>Archie Moore's.

 

Sure; that is why every newspaper decision should be taken with a pinch of salt...

Particularly those with lots of them, like Rosenbloom and Greb. It is impossible to call them sound, because of the reasons we put down. Favours were done for betting syndicates; favours were done for fellow peers and fighters very often were fighting so often it was impossible to give your best all the time.